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Syzygy
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Posted: June 12 2006 at 13:40 |
Pablo Picasso - there's really no comparison. Dali's technique was deeply conservative and rooted in the 19th century fantasy painting style. While he waqs unquestiobably a master draughtsman, the innnovations of the 20th century largely passed him by. He also worked hard to ingratiate himself with Franco's fascist regime.
Picasso had earned his place in art history even before cubism - his blue and rose periods (1900 - 06) show that he was capable of painting in a straightforward representational style like a master even in his early 20s. Throughout his life he produced drawings, etchings and occasionally paintings which returned to a straightforward representational style (his return to classicism after World War 1 was a rare mis-step in 7 decades of work) - whatever a Picasso artwork looked like, it looked exactly as he wanted it to look. Unlike Dali he remained firm in his opposition to Franco, and refused to return to Spain while the regime remained in power. He became honorary curator of the Prado, but sadly was never to return to see the works which had fired his youthful imagination.
Mind you, Dali's biography is more interesting (the Shameful Life of Salvador Dali by Ian Gibson is well worth reading), although Picasso was a pretty colourful character himself.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Peace Frog
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Posted: June 12 2006 at 13:57 |
Dali has somewhat more interesting art. But Picasso was more innovative and, really, he was better. But I still like Dali's art just slightly more.
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Chicapah
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Posted: June 12 2006 at 14:16 |
Once I viewed an exhibition of Picasso's paintings I gained a whole new respect for the artist. His works reached out and grabbed me like few ever have. Dali was more dreamlike to me.
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"Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain
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Peter
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Posted: June 12 2006 at 18:12 |
Bosch
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 12 2006 at 18:21 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
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No....it's true!
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Kord
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Posted: June 16 2006 at 15:19 |
Dali...great
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Bern
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Posted: June 17 2006 at 13:49 |
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RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 17 2006 at 14:30 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Picasso by a mile, simply because he invented many of the techniques that are quite common among artists today. Many may think Picasso could not paint because of the way he distorts shapes sometimes; I advise them to have a look at the drawing of "Don Quijote and Sancho Pansa"; you couldn't have drawn it any better, nor with less lines. Dali was a charlatan. One genius of a charlatan, but a charlatan nevertheless. Of course his paintings are often so-called "surrealistic" (though the Surrealists themselves kicked him out pretty soon), which has a lot of appeal among proggers.
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Syzygy wrote:
Pablo Picasso - there's really no comparison. Dali's technique was deeply conservative and rooted in the 19th century fantasy painting style. While he waqs unquestiobably a master draughtsman, the innnovations of the 20th century largely passed him by. He also worked hard to ingratiate himself with Franco's fascist regime.
Picasso had earned his place in art history even before cubism - his blue and rose periods (1900 - 06) show that he was capable of painting in a straightforward representational style like a master even in his early 20s. Throughout his life he produced drawings, etchings and occasionally paintings which returned to a straightforward representational style (his return to classicism after World War 1 was a rare mis-step in 7 decades of work) - whatever a Picasso artwork looked like, it looked exactly as he wanted it to look. Unlike Dali he remained firm in his opposition to Franco, and refused to return to Spain while the regime remained in power. He became honorary curator of the Prado, but sadly was never to return to see the works which had fired his youthful imagination.
Mind you, Dali's biography is more interesting (the Shameful Life of Salvador Dali by Ian Gibson is well worth reading), although Picasso was a pretty colourful character himself. |
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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WaywardSon
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Posted: June 17 2006 at 19:41 |
I should have been a bit more specific, I meant their art, not them as a person.
I could say Neil Young is a better guitarist than Ritchie Blackmore because Blackmore is moody.
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Bj-1
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Posted: June 17 2006 at 19:43 |
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 19 2006 at 03:43 |
RycheMan wrote:
I should have been a bit more specific, I meant their art, not them as a person.
I could say Neil Young is a better guitarist than Ritchie Blackmore because Blackmore is moody. |
Difficult to dissociate the man from his work
Dali tried his hardest to act eccentric and get public notice, Picasso almost lived as a recluse in his last three decades
I still like Dali (he was also diddling in sculpture), but he does not comùe to Picasso's shoulder.
Picasso started cubism and abstract and was a precurssor , the others followed
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Rocktopus
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Posted: June 19 2006 at 07:24 |
I don't care to much on who was first with what, but I still choose
Picasso. Although surrealism (and dadaism) is much closer to my heart
and taste, than cubism.
Picasso made interesting art his whole life. Dali was relevant only for
a few years (late 20's early 30's). Very soon he turned in to
self-paroding and kitsch. I much prefer Max Ernst and Rene Magritte and
the rest.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Rocktopus
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Posted: June 19 2006 at 07:45 |
Meret Oppenheim is a slightly forgotten surrealist:
These objects are both from '36. Quirky sculptures. looks more modern than most modern art.
Meret Oppenheim photographed by Man Ray. This one is very famous.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Raff
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Posted: June 19 2006 at 09:15 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Picasso by a mile, simply because he invented many of the techniques
that are quite common among artists today. Many may think Picasso
could not paint because of the way he distorts shapes sometimes; I
advise them to have a look at the drawing of "Don Quijote and Sancho
Pansa"; you couldn't have drawn it any better, nor with less lines.
Dali was a charlatan. One genius of a charlatan, but a charlatan
nevertheless. Of course his paintings are often so-called
"surrealistic" (though the Surrealists themselves kicked him out pretty
soon), which has a lot of appeal among proggers.
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I quite agree with all that. As a matter of fact, neither are included among my all-time favourite artists (the list would be too long to post here), but Picasso definitely has the edge. However, as a purely Cubist painter I prefer Braque to Picasso. On the other hand,
I've always found Dali garish and contrived, not too mention commercial. Do you know that a favorite nickname (and anagram of his name) for him was Avida Dollars?
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 19 2006 at 09:25 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
I quite agree with all that. As a matter of fact, neither are included among my all-time favourite artists (the list would be too long to post here), but Picasso definitely has the edge. However, as a purely Cubist painter I prefer Braque to Picasso. On the other hand, I've always found Dali garish and contrived, not too mention commercial.
Do you know that a favorite nickname (and anagram of his name) for him was Avida Dollars? >>> Wow , I had never heard that one , but it sure fits his cupidity
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I am not sure whether Vasarelli can be considered cubism, but I like his work also
Edited by Sean Trane - June 19 2006 at 09:25
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el böthy
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Posted: June 20 2006 at 18:25 |
For me its Dali also (favorite of mine), but I dont think people really know Picasso that well. He is very known for his cubism...but the man has truly done everything, and everything he has done is excellent! And as Baldie said, for thouse who think Picasso could not draw well...you got another thing comming!
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Wilcey
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Posted: June 22 2006 at 02:42 |
Definitely Picasso for me.........Dali had a fertile and somewhat complex imagination for subject matter, but Pablo was tatally more prog as an artist, he pushed boundries so far that thanks to him they don't exist in art today.
Picasso rocks big time!
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