QUEEN - vocalist

MANDRAKEROOT wrote: I have a doubt...: FREDDY MERCURY is GOD?

maybe not but very close

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Freddie is Queen, without him anything is a caricature.   Queen died with Freddie.   Iván

Freddie is 25% of Queen.

Royalist wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Freddie is Queen, without him anything is a caricature.   Queen died with Freddie.   Iván Freddie is 25% of Queen.

1. Drama is an excellent album, IMO superior to GFTO, but Yes without Jon's voice is not Yes.
2. Genesis lost  Hackett after W&W just to become crap and he was only 25% of the band.
3. Jethro Tull without Ian Anderson is anything but Jethro Tull.
4. Focus without Thijs Van Leer wouldn't work either.
5. There's no King Crimson without Robert Fripp.

A band is much more than the simple sumatory of it's members.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 03 2006 at 14:42

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: If you had Freddie and maybe Bryan plus two other rmusicians it was Queen. I'm not saying the other two musicians (Taylor and Deacon) were bad, but honestly anybody could have replaced them without dramatically affecring the personality of the band.

    
Deacon yes, Taylor no - he was responsible for the really stupidly high harmonies. Without him, Queen would have lost 1/3 of their fantastic vocal sound.

His drumming wasn't genius - but it wasn't exactly second rate either.


I wanted to vote "Is this a Joke"? in the Poll - but then I saw that Garten had started it - so I didn't even need to ask...

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: If you had Freddie and maybe Bryan plus two other rmusicians it was Queen. I'm not saying the other two musicians (Taylor and Deacon) were bad, but honestly anybody could have replaced them without dramatically affecring the personality of the band.       Deacon yes, Taylor no - he was responsible for the really stupidly high harmonies. Without him, Queen would have lost 1/3 of their fantastic vocal sound.   I'm sure that Freddie and Bryan would have managed to survive without him.   Put it like this May, Deacon and Taylor together with another singer would have made a good band, but would never managed to reach the iconic status of Queen.   Freddie and Bryan May alone would have managed to reach the top anyway.     Iván

That's not what you originally said in that context - you were talking about "dramatically affecting the personality of the band".

Remove Taylor, and the "personality" of the sound would be changed - there are very few with the vocal range of Taylor - even Matt Bellamy would struggle.
    

Certif1ed wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: If you had Freddie and maybe Bryan plus two other rmusicians it was Queen. I'm not saying the other two musicians (Taylor and Deacon) were bad, but honestly anybody could have replaced them without dramatically affecring the personality of the band.       Deacon yes, Taylor no - he was responsible for the really stupidly high harmonies. Without him, Queen would have lost 1/3 of their fantastic vocal sound.   I'm sure that Freddie and Bryan would have managed to survive without him.   Put it like this May, Deacon and Taylor together with another singer would have made a good band, but would never managed to reach the iconic status of Queen.   Freddie and Bryan May alone would have managed to reach the top anyway.     Iván That's not what you originally said in that context - you were talking about "dramatically affecting the personality of the band". Remove Taylor, and the "personality" of the sound would be changed - there are very few with the vocal range of Taylor - even Matt Bellamy would struggle.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Royalist wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Freddie is Queen, without him anything is a caricature.   Queen died with Freddie.   Iván Freddie is 25% of Queen.   No, bands don't work like that, Freddie was the frontman, composer (Along with Bryan), vocalist and face of Queen.   If you had Freddie and maybe Bryan plus two other rmusicians it was Queen. I'm not saying the other two musicians (Taylor and Deacon) were bad, but honestly anybody could have replaced them without dramatically affecring the personality of the band.   Just imagine Freddie died 15 years ago and only about after a decade and a half they dared to try to make it work, but believe me, they will never see the top again.   Some similar examples: Drama is an excellent album, IMO superior to GFTO, but Yes without Jon's voice is not Yes. Genesis lost  Hackett after W&W just to become crap and he was only 25% of the band. Jethro Tull without Ian Anderson is anything but Jethro Tull. Focus without Thijs Van Leer wouldn't work either. There's no King Crimson without Robert Fripp. A band is much more than the simple sumatory of it's members. Iván

The power of Queen is:
1.Instead of 1 excellent singer 3 excellent singers
2.Instead of an ordinary guitarist a 1-man orchestra.


Notice that although without Hackett G became crap, they were still great without Gabriel.
Queen without Freddie could be a decent rock trio just like Cream, Rush, Motorhead, Nirvana or whatever but Mercury alone would be nothing. Mercury's compositions also would
be nothing without the guitar.
Being a frontman means nothing, you can have a good voice and make great show and suck as a composer.

Bohemian Rhapsody, March of the black queen, Bicycle race and Killer queen are Freddie's compositions, but are sung by 3 people and include masterful guitar parts, aggresive drums etc. which make it what it is.
Brian arranged guitar parts and sometimes suggested Freddie how to compose to make place for his  ideas, not otherwise. That's why I appreciate him to the greatest extand- he not only wrote music but made his input in other 3 guys' work too.

John and Roger were also unique as well as their songs but it's true that  the band was led by two M's. Despite of that no-one can be considered more than 40%  of the band in contrary to say Iron Maiden where Harris makes it work or Nirvana being in 98% Cobain.

PS. Maybe Deacon could be replaced but without Taylor's high pitched screams there would be no real Queen.

Yes, without a doubt Mr. Nice Guy

George Michael did a good job on Somebody to Love

horza wrote: George Michael did a good job on Somebody to Love

He most certainly did - that was a sterling performance.

I also thought that James Hetfield had a fair stab at "Stone Cold Crazy": It suits the Metallica sound and shows just how diverse Queen were.