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necromancing777
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 21:28 |
Dirk wrote:
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I actually find I enjoy Magenta more than say, Mostly Autumn, when it comes to female prog outfits. Magenta is more to my liking, and I didn't care much for Mostly Autumn's new album, Storms of Still Water either.
| Actually "Storms" is easily the worst Mostly autumn album so that is not a fair comparision,I don't think Mostly autumn and Magenta should be compared at all because Magenta is much more complex than Mostly autumn.
I know "Seven" from Magenta and i still don't have a definite opinion on it. Due to the crystal clear vocals it seems like an easy album but it isn't.
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Perhaps it isn't fair to compare Magenta's Seven with Mostly Autumn's Storms Over Still Water. However, I feel Mostly Autumn IS fully capable of creating intricate symphonic prog, but they are perhaps at a point where they feel mainstream appeal may be the only way of bringing aboard new fans. For a prog band, I feel that the opposite is true (ex: Dream Theatre's latest album may be bringing in new non-prog fans, but also losing older prog purists). Maybe we can expect a Fish/Heather Findlay duet on the next Mostly Autumn album.
IMO, Magenta are interested in continuing with symphonic prog music, while at the same time expanding their fan base. Perhaps this is a commerical risk. Maybe Mostly Autumn has the right idea in simplifying their musical style for broader appeal (non-prog fans).
But IMO, after watching Magenta'sThe Gathering and Mostly Autumn's V Shows, that musically, Magenta has the chops to be a symphonic juggernaut for years to come.
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 21:51 |
I agree with you that mostly autumn's albums before "storms" are very good (with exception of the Tolkien album), they are one of my favourite bands.
For me the jury's still out on Magenta, it's not as accessible as Mostly autumn so it needs more listens.
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necromancing777
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 22:12 |
Dirk wrote:
I agree with you that mostly autumn's albums before "storms" are very good (with exception of the Tolkien album), they are one of my favourite bands.
For me the jury's still out on Magenta, it's not as accessible as Mostly autumn so it needs more listens.
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Magenta's next album, Home (due out this year), will certainly be the Litmus test. If it doesn't build on their previous sound and is less adventurous than Seven, perhaps they are headed down the wrong road. I wouldn't be too surprised if the album was more mellow with shorter songs, not unlike the direction Mostly Autumn has taken. But I'm still waiting for their symphonic prog masterpiece...here's hoping Home will be it.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 00:15 |
magenta really rules my heart .this is my favoryte band of the new milleniun .MAGENTA DONT MAKE MUSIC,MAKE ART
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 01:58 |
I first saw Magenta at Progeny a few years back.They were the opening band but I was hooked almost immediately.Chrissie has a very beautifull voice and Rob writes excellent melodic prog with a nod or three towards Yes and Genesis.The musicians in the band are excellent especially Chris Fry who is a wonderfull guitarist.Anyone who hasn't seen this band live should make the effort whether they've heard any Magenta albums or not.And if you can't then I heartily recommend the DVD 'The Gathering'.This is one of the best out there.Utterly superb!
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 10:36 |
richardh wrote:
I first saw Magenta at Progeny a few years back.They were the opening band but I was hooked almost immediately.Chrissie has a very beautifull voice and Rob writes excellent melodic prog with a nod or three towards Yes and Genesis.The musicians in the band are excellent especially Chris Fry who is a wonderfull guitarist.Anyone who hasn't seen this band live should make the effort whether they've heard any Magenta albums or not.And if you can't then I heartily recommend the DVD 'The Gathering'.This is one of the best out there.Utterly superb! |
Agreed!
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 11:35 |
The only Magenta I own (have heard) is 'Revolutions' - whilst I love the musicianship (I don't care if they wear their influences on their sleeves, they're good influences), I have to say I find the lyrics laughable - don't get me wrong, I think she has a fine voice, it's just a shame she has to sing such trite rubbish.
Just my opinion, you understand...
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 13:22 |
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necromancing777
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 14:49 |
Jim Garten wrote:
The only Magenta I own (have heard) is 'Revolutions' - whilst I love the musicianship (I don't care if they wear their influences on their sleeves, they're good influences), I have to say I find the lyrics laughable - don't get me wrong, I think she has a fine voice, it's just a shame she has to sing such trite rubbish.
Just my opinion, you understand...
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You're probably referring to the song "Man the Machine". Yes, the lyrics are very trite and ridiculous on that one! Some of the lyrics in "Children of the Sun" I thought were corny too. However, like you said, I can look pass this because of the great musicianship. The lyrics on Seven are free from fluff IMO.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 15:32 |
I have been listening to Seven for a while now and think it is one stunning album - apart from the flipping drumming (I'd like to use other adjectives, but I am trying to control myself!!). They really spoil it for me. I'm referring to the snare drum here. Not only does it sound unimaginative, tinny and cheap, compared to the rich music of the other instruments, but they are also mixed appalingly and dominate too much. My nerves jar every time it beats. Otherwise this album would be in my top 50. What were the other band members thinking of when they let this through?
Anyway that's my opinion FWIW
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 16:33 |
limeyrob wrote:
I have been listening to Seven for a while now and think it is one stunning album - apart from the flipping drumming (I'd like to use other adjectives, but I am trying to control myself!!). They really spoil it for me. I'm referring to the snare drum here. Not only does it sound unimaginative, tinny and cheap, compared to the rich music of the other instruments, but they are also mixed appalingly and dominate too much. My nerves jar every time it beats. Otherwise this album would be in my top 50. What were the other band members thinking of when they let this through?
Anyway that's my opinion FWIW
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Interesting.I've read similar criticisms of Paul Cook on 'Ever'.I don't mind it personally.Both albums would be in my all time top fifty.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 18:07 |
limeyrob wrote:
I have been listening to Seven for a while now and think it is one stunning album - apart from the flipping drumming (I'd like to use other adjectives, but I am trying to control myself!!). They really spoil it for me. I'm referring to the snare drum here. Not only does it sound unimaginative, tinny and cheap, compared to the rich music of the other instruments, but they are also mixed appalingly and dominate too much. My nerves jar every time it beats. Otherwise this album would be in my top 50. What were the other band members thinking of when they let this through?
Anyway that's my opinion FWIW
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I think that the Magenta albums are self-produced. I'd agree that sometimes they sound a little "thin", but the snare drum sound never bothered me at all. Actually, I find some of the production values on Mostly Autumn's records to be poor in spots too.
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 16:16 |
RichardH
I regret to say that I have the very same feelings about Ever too (and most IQ's albums before Dark Matter) - a superb album spoiled. Again - just my opinion
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Posted: April 01 2006 at 10:56 |
limeyrob wrote:
RichardH
I regret to say that I have the very same feelings about Ever too (and most IQ's albums before Dark Matter) - a superb album spoiled. Again - just my opinion
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I don't know if the drumming ever spoiled an album for me. For instance, on Genesis'Trespass, Mayhew doesn't measure up to what Collins would do in the future, but indeed his drumming is satisfactory on an otherwise great album IMO.
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Posted: April 01 2006 at 11:03 |
I think I'm in the minority here - I can find very few redeeming features in
MAGENTA's music. "Revolutions" for me is almost like a sarcastic parody
of progressive rock, with interminable songs and suites that go nowhere,
riffs lifted wholesale from 30-year-old records and laughable
"conceptual" lyrics. "Seven" is slightly better, but it's still very dull and
derivative neo-prog. At least on the live album, they sound like they're
enjoying themselves, although this and (especially) the DVD convince me
they're really would-be stadium rockers rather than anything I'd describe
as progressive.
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Posted: April 01 2006 at 11:19 |
Politician wrote:
I think I'm in the minority here - I can find very few redeeming features in MAGENTA's music. "Revolutions" for me is almost like a sarcastic parody of progressive rock, with interminable songs and suites that go nowhere, riffs lifted wholesale from 30-year-old records and laughable "conceptual" lyrics. "Seven" is slightly better, but it's still very dull and derivative neo-prog. At least on the live album, they sound like they're enjoying themselves, although this and (especially) the DVD convince me they're really would-be stadium rockers rather than anything I'd describe as progressive. |
I think songs like King Of The Skies, I'm Alive, Broken and Call Me are stadium rockers, not really progressive. However, here's hoping their new album will be the prog masterpiece fans have been waiting for. We'll see...
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Posted: April 01 2006 at 15:11 |
I have to say I'm not optimistic about the new album having heard some of the tracks already.I'll always stick up for 'Seven' though.One of the best albums I've heard for years if not exactly 'progressive' in approach.
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necromancing777
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Posted: June 22 2006 at 17:23 |
richardh wrote:
I have to say I'm not optimistic about the new album having heard some of the tracks already. I'll always stick up for 'Seven' though. One of the best albums I've heard for years if not exactly 'progressive' in approach. |
After hearing the new album, 'Home', I'd have to agree with you. To this point I still like 'Revolutions' and 'Seven' much better. However, the bonus disc 'New York Suite' is more enjoyable to listen to IMO. Maybe because of the longer compostions and the sound is a bit more "proggy".
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Posted: June 22 2006 at 18:40 |
I 'm really enjoying Magenta's album. I've not heard any of their other albums, however glancing at some of the track lists makes me fearful that they've have fallen into the trap of making long tracks just for the sake of it like so many modern prog bands do. 'Home 'steers well clear of this.
It actually reminds me of Marillion's Brave and Camel's Nude, in equal measure, rather than the bombastic Yes and Genesis influenced Prog that I'm led to believe is to be found on their previous discs.
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Posted: June 23 2006 at 02:03 |
I've got 'Home' on order.Hopefully should arrive any time!
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