porcupine tree-crap

Well my preference may be towards the old school, but I'll give anything a go. A friend of mine likes some Porcupine Tree, and has played me some. Cant remember which album but it was fairly recent and quite heavy (?) I didn't dislike it, but it didn't really grab either.

My attititude to modern prog is, I admit, quite cynical. This attitiude is based on what I've heard by Dream Theater, Spocks Beard, Glass Hammer, Echolyn & The Flower Kings. With all these bands we have excellent musicians arguably wasting their time, paying tribute to their heroes. I dont think they make bad music per se, but if I want to listen to symphonic prog I'll listen to the original bands. The original and the best. I dont get as excited by a band that sounds like Yes, as I do about Yes themeselves...

The Mars Volta is an exception. I had to force myself to part with cash for 'Frances the Mute' I thought I'd hate it, and wanted to actually hear it so at least I'd be qualified to hate it!! I was wrong. It's a great album, and I can honestly say I've not heard anything like it before. Truly progressive for that reason!

gentletull wrote: I can tell straight awway when I won't get much out of a band. I listened to deadwing and I know it will never do anything for me. It's doesn't meet my standards  . Old music is the best. It doesn't just sound awesome straight away, it is gets better after more listens :). I recommend everyone search and search for all the great old music because it's better than todays rock music . I listened to Wobbler today and it sounds like a complete copy of tull, gentle giant, camel, genesis, elp and yes lol. It sounds alot better than porcupine and tool etc, but it was so much of a copy it was embarrasing

You'll have to define what you mean by "old".  When does something become "old"? Is after a few months, a year a decade, a couple of decades?  Genesis were still making music in 1997, Camel,Tull and Yes even more recently.  Are these "old" or "new"? And if they're new then they should all go in the rubbish bin?

I'm going to presume you only like something if it's over or around 30 years old which takes us back to anything before 1976.  So given that, you're classing W&W by Genesis, Going For The One by Yes and Songs from the Wood By Tull as "new" and should go in the rubbish bin.

Does this mean you automatically dislike everything after 22nd February 1976 and everything on or after the 23rd February 1976 becomes "new" and should go in the rubbish bin?

You say "old" music sounds awesome straight away and gets better after more listens.  How can something get better after more listens when you only hear it once?  Also at some point "new" music is going to be "old" (again you'll have to give your definition of at what point) so at what point does it become good?  "Old" music at some point was "new" so at what point did it become good?

Lots of silly quite pedantic questions but no more silly than your sweeping, elitist and rather conservative earlier statements.  I'm also going to presume you will not be able to answer any of the above without tripping yourself up.  I bet you don't even try, which then blows your argument apart.

I'm not going to try and convince you to like PT or any other band, you may never. Theres plenty of bands I never quite "got" but thats not because they're "old" or "new" they just weren't to my tastes but I didn't feel the need to "condemn them to the rubbish bin" or make silly misinformed comments about them.

You don't like it... So? ...They are still interesting. From what I can tell, their period from the very firts album (I don't know for sure if that first album is "Tarquin's seaweed farm" or "On the sunday of life") to "Signify" (that I'm sure of) it's really worth it. And that argument about alll great ideas already gone... that can't take you very far. As always, old-school people complaining about new bands that doesn't sound like Jethro Tull - Genesis - Yes - King Crimson - ELP...

Yet another prog snob,this place is full of them.

Don't worry,leave all the new,interesting bands,who are pushing the boundaries and trying to be innovative...to us.

You go back and drool over your Jethro Tull albums.

Blacksword wrote: Well my preference may be towards the old school, but I'll give anything a go. A friend of mine likes some Porcupine Tree, and has played me some. Cant remember which album but it was fairly recent and quite heavy (?) I didn't dislike it, but it didn't really grab either. My attititude to modern prog is, I admit, quite cynical. This attitiude is based on what I've heard by Dream Theater, Spocks Beard, Glass Hammer, Echolyn & The Flower Kings. With all these bands we have excellent musicians arguably wasting their time, paying tribute to their heroes. I dont think they make bad music per se, but if I want to listen to symphonic prog I'll listen to the original bands. The original and the best. I dont get as excited by a band that sounds like Yes, as I do about Yes themeselves...

Exactly what I think too. I never heard "new" prog I really like, and I listened to many bands ! I dont know, I dont like their sound...I try not to be snob in front of new prog bands, but I cant ! I disllike about all of them. Some exception, maybe for Anglagard and some song of other bands, but that's it....so I can understand what the original poster meant.