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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2006 at 07:21
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Ok,rating without reviews has been suspended.

Wow, finally

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2006 at 08:32
Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Originally posted by Baza Baza wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Originally posted by Baza Baza wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Ok,rating without reviews has been suspended.

Allright! Now it's the time to delete all the existing ratings without reviews, exept those made by the collaborators. It would add a lot to the quality and credibility of this site.

 

Why whould you exempt rating without review made by collaborators from deletion??? Is it collaborators privilege to make unsupported claims and judgements; or is it just your sheer confidence in collaborators opinions and complete trust in whatever they might state??? 

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OK then, good for you. But I'd rather all ratings without review to be deleted, as I know for sure that certain collaborators opinions are completely opposite to my personal tastes and likings, and their rating can be only grossly misleading.

So the rule "no rating without review" should apply to everybody with no exemption.

 

Well, everyone has their own taste, and you have to accept everyone's opinions. You can't say that a particular rating is misleading just because you have a different opinion on that album. The reason why I think that their reviews without ratings should be accepted is because the collaborators are (or at least, supposed to be) people who have more knowledge in prog than others and they also are more mature in their approach to music. For example, the guy who has the biggest number of ratings here (over 1500), Sean Trane, has some ratings without reviews. I think that it would be a pity if those ratings would be lost.

 But, so far, no one said that those ratings would be deleted. They were deleted from the album's reviews pages, but they still are added to the calculation of the average score.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2006 at 09:54
Originally posted by Baza Baza wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Originally posted by Baza Baza wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Originally posted by Baza Baza wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Ok,rating without reviews has been suspended.

Allright! Now it's the time to delete all the existing ratings without reviews, exept those made by the collaborators. It would add a lot to the quality and credibility of this site.

 

Why whould you exempt rating without review made by collaborators from deletion??? Is it collaborators privilege to make unsupported claims and judgements; or is it just your sheer confidence in collaborators opinions and complete trust in whatever they might state??? 

The second thing

OK then, good for you. But I'd rather all ratings without review to be deleted, as I know for sure that certain collaborators opinions are completely opposite to my personal tastes and likings, and their rating can be only grossly misleading.

So the rule "no rating without review" should apply to everybody with no exemption.

 

Well, everyone has their own taste, and you have to accept everyone's opinions. You can't say that a particular rating is misleading just because you have a different opinion on that album. The reason why I think that their reviews without ratings should be accepted is because the collaborators are (or at least, supposed to be) people who have more knowledge in prog than others and they also are more mature in their approach to music. For example, the guy who has the biggest number of ratings here (over 1500), Sean Trane, has some ratings without reviews. I think that it would be a pity if those ratings would be lost.

 But, so far, no one said that those ratings would be deleted. They were deleted from the album's reviews pages, but they still are added to the calculation of the average score.

"Everyone has own opinion" - it's quite obvious and undisputable, matter of fact really.

I do not, by any means, have to accept anyone's opinion - I just must admit that everyone's entitled to it's own. 

Collaborators are not necessarily more mature in their approach to music than any other person could be, neither they must have more knowledge than the others might have about particular subgenres of prog. And this is exactly my reason why any repeat any rating without review should not be acceptable.

As to Mr. Chantraine, with all due respect - judging from his numerous reviews I can conclude that his musical tastes and preferences are different from mine, however I enjoy reading his reviews and without any doubts he contributes a lot to my general knowledge in music. But why he, in particular, should be allowed to rate without review, as long as we like his reviews, no matter whether we agree with what he is saying there or not.

I can clearly remember one case when I abstained from buying Inquire's album Melancholia because I saw this album rated with one star here. This stupid rating was given without review. It was my mistake to trust rating without review, as Melancholia is actually absolutely great album, which I purchased later and enjoy it very much. Just imagine if person giving it 1 star could be kind enough to support it by at least short review saying for example: "I give this sh*t only one star because it's got nothing in common with Motorhead or Manowar. Avoid! Long Live Heavy Metal!!!" Well, in this case I would buy this album.

With all due respect towards great job collaborators are doing for this site, I still would not like any of them to give unsupported ratings.

  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2006 at 11:13
I disagree with the removal of ratings without reviews. With more than 100 reviews for many titles in the Genesis, Yes and Pink Floyd (I'm sure there are others) catalogues, what is the point in writing another review when everything you could possibly say about these works has already been said??? I would rather just rate those. Besides, who has the time to read 100 reviews? 200 reviews? Of the same damn album?!?!

I personally feel that this whole argument has stemmed from folks that are way too concerned about the Top 100 chart. You see it all the time in postings here: "Oh my goodness, they gave my favorite album only one-star!!! Burn him at the stake!!!" Get a grip, okay?

This site has a Report Abuse thread. If you have never visited it before, you should, and then you will realize that there are many hard-working people reporting abuses with ratings and reviews and many hard-working people fixing the problems. I sincerely think this is a better system then simply removing ratings without reviews.

How about those people that don't feel comfortable writing a review, or can't write legible English and would rather rate it?

Removing ratings without reviews is WRONG and exclusive.

My apologies for the rant.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2006 at 11:14
Well, ratings without reviews aren't acceptable from now on for everyone, so this discussion is not relevant. But still, I would like (and I think that you'll agree with me on that) that the empty ratings that have been posted until now, will be deleted totally.
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