Phil Collins should keep his mouth shut

Nazgul wrote: Atkingani wrote: Nazgul wrote: Why? If You don't like him - don't  listen. I do that and it works. I always try not to listen to him and many others but, at least here in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, at many public places one goes there's always a radio on: the subway, the market, several shops, the big newstands even the buses 99% of the music casted is crap including certain Brazilian 'modern' rythms and among them the worst of the worst of international music. Sometimes returning home after a hard day may be a painful journey. I live in Kraków -Poland and problem of "bad music" everywere is the same. But I bought MP3 player and this is no My problem anymore. I'm listening what I want and when I want. P.S. I regret that I'm not in Rio de Janeiro now. In Poland is 4 PM and is nearly dark. I hate winter. It's raining all day and water freezing on the streets.

I don't like summer  but here during spring, winter and fall the weather is fair.

Ahh goody a phil colins slanging match. I hate the man and when ever he opens his gob crap comes out of it. The muppet told us about the homeless, LIKE WE HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THEM BEFORE! you retard! God I hate him , his solo stuff sucks, pop genesis was awful, then they realised what a dick head he was and chucked him out.

His only redemmeing features (only 2 may I add) are that he is a good drummer (and should stick to it and not compose) and the bongos in 'in the air tonight'

Here it appears that he's really fond of Yes (he can't seem make up his mind)

He really should just shut up

salmacis wrote: Phil Collins has made remarks about Pink Floyd and Yes before, particularly that he'd 'rather be stuck on a desert island with an Aretha Franklin, Sam and Dave or Otis Redding album that a Pink Floyd or Yes record' and that he agreed that 'the bands that were being sl*gged off as being boring, I thought were boring as well', that comes from an interview with him on the 'Genesis A History' video. But I don't think this should cloud anyone's judgement of Phil really- it's up to him what music he likes and certainly doesn't alter my perception of Genesis or Phil himself at all!

Phil Collins is a great businessman, he says things when convenient.

When he contributed to turn Genesis into a POP band he started to speak crap about Prog', because Genesis Progf fans hated him and he never cared, he was more interested in gaining new POP fans, so what's more popular than speaking crap about an umnpopular genre?

He said thingds like We were only popular when Peter left.....When Punk appeared, Prog Dinosaurs fell of the trees as rotten apples.....I would never let Peter rejoin Genesis (All almost literal quotes from Genesis a History).

But years have passed, Pop Genesis fans have vanished because Pop fans (Mostly) are faithful to their band when they are POPular, when they leave the charts, good night, nobody will remember you.

Ask Wacko Jacko, New Kids on the Block, Lionel Ritchie or Men at Work, nobody buys their albums anymore or even remembers them unless they are sued.

So he has noticed that Prog Genesis fans are more each day, The Lamb or Foxtrot sale 20 or 30 times more than Shapes or We Can't Dance, so he has to gain the favour of progheads who remain faithful.

So now his message has changed:

• I will only rejoin Genesis if Peter sings (Prog fans wouldn't care for Genesis without Peter ad Steve)
• Yes is my main influence (After shouting for years that Motown was his first love)
• The Lamb is my favorite album.
• Supper's Ready is my favorite song

The guy doesn'thas alzheimer or falls in contradictions, he only says what is more profitable and popular in a determined moment.

Iván

Poor Phil does get a bad press on this forum.

Never really been a fan of Genesis or Collins, but I really enjoyed Collins/plant/page at Live Aid in 84. If only he'd have gone on to work with them instead of being a teeny bopper.

He does seem to be trying, at various points in his career, to side with the punks and, previously (with his early allegiance to Yes) the proggers. To his credit, he did recently say, in Van der Graaf Generator - The Book, "Most of what VdGG did was pretty adventurous and expansive. There was no doubting their originality. Dave Jackson's stage persona and his very original sax set-up, coupled with Peter Hammill's voice, were unlike anything else out there. Hugh Banton, too, was unconventional. They didn't have a bass player so he played bass pedals on the Hammond. The more I think about it, the more off-the-wall they were as a band!"

So, he may cut down Yes, Pink Floyd, the Moodies, etc, but he bolsters the one band (IMHO) who bridges the gap between punk and prog (and maybe the only prog band revered by punks). Of course, I'm biased because I co-wrote the VdGG book and am eternally indebted to PC for helping out with this and other quotes given to us.

By the way, I see nothing incongruous about him championing early Banks-period Yes, yet dismissing the later stuff. The first Yes lineup came from more of a psychedlic, beat-group angle (great stuff!). I think it was the later, '70s stuff that the punks (and apparently Phil) dismissed.

Black Max wrote: Yes, he has a love for Motown and American soul, and had the cojones to admit to a sneaking admiration for punk music when it came out.  Well and good.  And a lot of the music he made under his own moniker and as the leader of the Genesis three-piece is forgettable by our standards.  No matter, we still owe Collins a hell of a debt.

Well, to be honest he had the cojones (Good Spanish word) to say many things, of course each phrase contradicts the previous, but if you study the pattern each one was mentioned when it was more convenient for his career.

1. He rather listen Punk than a Yes or Pink Floyd album
2. Yes was a great influence and one of his favorite bands ????
3. His first love was Motown
4. The best album is The Lamb
5. He never uderstood The Lamb
6. He would never allow Peter to join Genesis again (Genesis a History)
7. He would only rejoin Genesis if Peter sings.

And a lot of other gems.

Iván