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bluetailfly 
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 Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:14 |
"Drama" really pointed the way that 80's prog should have gone. More accessible prog rock, but respectable prog nonetheless.
This was the type of music Asia, Foreigner, et al should have been making, instead of "Heat of the Moment" & "Cold As Ice." They didn't need to sell out that far to be commercially successful.
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:22 |
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I agree that Tempus Fugit is one of Yes's best short songs but, I also think that Drama isn't that bad. |
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:22 |
bluetailfly wrote:
"Drama" really pointed the way that 80's prog should have gone. More accessible prog rock, but respectable prog nonetheless.
This was the type of music Asia, Foreigner, et al should have
been making, instead of "Heat of the Moment" & "Cold As Ice."
They didn't need to sell out that far to be commercially successful. |
do you consider 90125 a 'sell out'?
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salmacis
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:34 |
I like 'Drama' a lot, but for me 'Machine Messiah' is the best track on it- it's a fantastic and heavier version of 70s Yes. This was a perfect way to capitalise on the NWOBHM boom of the early 80s, and certainly paid off as it remains one of their highest charting albums in the UK.
I expected the Trevor Rabin Yes stuff to be duff, but in fact I thought it was great stuff- probably the best crossover into AOR that any prog band made.
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bluetailfly
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:41 |
Yes's history is hard for me to judge, especially because I like them.
But to some degree, yes, 90125 was a sell out in the sense that they aimed to produce a pop lp. Big Generator was a sell out too. But given the context of the times, it was forgivable, esp since they later went on to record some better prog albums, like Ladder, Magnification, etc.
But I like 90125 and Big Generator is growing on me, oddly enough. So it's not like I have a problem with it.
In general, I just want the artists I listen to to create music that they believe in and want to make. If a "serious" prog band wants to create a more pop sounding lp every now and then, that's fine, but if the members are just creating pop product and aren't creating the kind of music that represents where they stand as artist/musicians (like Asia & Foreigner), I tend to value that type of music less.
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micky
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Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:44 |
salmacis wrote:
I like 'Drama' a lot, but for me 'Machine Messiah'
is the best track on it- it's a fantastic and heavier version of 70s
Yes. This was a perfect way to capitalise on the NWOBHM boom of the
early 80s, and certainly paid off as it remains one of their highest
charting albums in the UK.
I expected the Trevor Rabin Yes stuff to be duff, but in fact I
thought it was great stuff- probably the best crossover into AOR that
any prog band made. |
ha hah, was wondering if I was the only one who enjoyed Machine Messiah. I agree with the crossover statement.
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Posted: October 16 2007 at 16:33 |
Super bump.
I just happened to be listening to Tempus Fugit and I was thinking "wow" this was a great song for latter day Yes. I have heard it many times before and always kind of get that same feel when I hear it. At any rate I did a search to see if this particular song had been discussed and found this thread. At any rate, this thread has now been resurrected. Or as Cuncuna might say, it has been "reincanated".  |
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Moogtron III
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Posted: October 16 2007 at 18:03 |
stonebeard wrote:
Most anyone will agree that Drama is not on par to, say Close to the Edge. But one cannot deny the awesomeness of the song "Tempus Fugit!" I think it is Yes's best "short" song. It has great energy and is extremely catchy.
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Agree! I don't like Drama very much, but I love Tempus Fugit!
stonebeard wrote:
Also, since threads tend to have short lives nowadays, I will ask a question in hopes of keeping this thread somewhat alive:
Are there any songs on a poor overall album that nearly redeem the album for you? |
Drama is indeed a good example of an album that isn't what it could have been (I love The Buggles, they are grossly underrated, but the combination Yes - Buggles didn't live up to it's... expectations? No, potential!) but that has one song that is very good: Tempus Fugit. There are other tracks with potential, but a song like Into The Lens is simply much better (much more melancholic, subtle) in the Buggles version (I Am A Camera, on Adventures in Modern Recording).
I have the same with Genesis latest studio album, Calling All Stations, where the title track is much better than the other, mediocre songs (with the possible exception of Congo, although they shouldn't have repeated the chorus 100 times, very unproggish).
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White Shadow
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Posted: October 16 2007 at 19:20 |
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I love the whole album, so yes, I do enjoy "Tempus Fugit" very much. I do not own every Yes album but I would say based on what I do have, it is the last "great" one, imo. "The Ladder" and "Magnification" are very good,, but I believe the word "great" is thrown around a little too much. I do it myself. As far as what would be bad albums if not for a song, I think "Genesis" suffer very greatly w/o the "Home by the Sea" thing. Steve Hackett's "Cured" is held up by the "Air-Conditioned Nightmare" although there are two other songs I like on that also. "Cinema" and the intro to "Changes" stops "90125" from being a complete disaster, imo.
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Padraic
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Posted: October 16 2007 at 21:07 |
stonebeard wrote:
Most anyone will agree that Drama is not on par to, say Close to the Edge. But one cannot deny the awesomeness of the song "Tempus Fugit!" I think it is Yes's best "short" song. It has great energy and is extremely catchy.
Agree or disagree???
Also, since threads tend to have short lives nowadays, I will ask a question in hopes of keeping this thread somewhat alive:
Are there any songs on a poor overall album that nearly redeem the album for you? |
Sure, in fact the Yes album that came before. I don't consider it poor, but certainly not among their best. However, it would be much, much worse were it not for the stellar closing track, "On the Silent Wings of Freedom".
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Posted: October 16 2007 at 21:09 |
micky wrote:
salmacis wrote:
I like 'Drama' a lot, but for me 'Machine Messiah'
is the best track on it- it's a fantastic and heavier version of 70s
Yes. This was a perfect way to capitalise on the NWOBHM boom of the
early 80s, and certainly paid off as it remains one of their highest
charting albums in the UK.
I expected the Trevor Rabin Yes stuff to be duff, but in fact I
thought it was great stuff- probably the best crossover into AOR that
any prog band made. |
ha hah, was wondering if I was the only one who enjoyed Machine Messiah. I agree with the crossover statement.
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Count me in - Machine Messiah is my favorite track on the album as well. Drama on the whole is really good, I think Howe, Squire, and White really shine on it.
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Evandro Martini
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Posted: October 16 2007 at 21:43 |
bluetailfly wrote:
"Drama" really pointed the way that 80's prog should have gone. More accessible prog rock, but respectable prog nonetheless.
This was the type of music Asia, Foreigner, et al should have been making, instead of "Heat of the Moment" & "Cold As Ice." They didn't need to sell out that far to be commercially successful. |
I think exactly the same! Drama is a very 80s and pop album, but at the same time it has a lot of "Yesness", as Howe calls it  What a dream it would be if 90125 and Big Generaotr were in the style of Drama... And my favourite songs on Drama are Tempus Fugit and Machine Messiah. BOth of them are things that Yes wouldn't ever do with Jon, so I even find it good the fact that he left 
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1800iareyay
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Posted: October 16 2007 at 22:28 |
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Tempus Fugit is one of my favorite Yes tunes. One of the last great performances from Squire. When they went fully commercial his playing took a back seat, which is probably the single greatest reason I hate that period.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: October 17 2007 at 02:00 |
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Drama is an average album, on the whole. Machine Messiah is truly a touch of genius, though. Tempus Fugit isn't a work of genius, but it is good and I think we'd have heard a lot more of it over the years if Anderson had been involved with it. Into The Lens is inconsistent. The rest of the album I could live without.
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Posted: October 17 2007 at 11:42 |
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All I have to say is, just read my review and you`ll see how much I love that album. One of the best Roger Dean covers that`s for sure.
Edited by Vibrationbaby - October 17 2007 at 11:42
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: October 17 2007 at 13:48 |
1800iareyay wrote:
Tempus Fugit is one of my favorite Yes tunes. One of the last great performances from Squire. When they went fully commercial his playing took a back seat, which is probably the single greatest reason I hate that period. |
Chris was abducted by aliens after the Drama tour. He briefly escaped during the Big Generator sessions to record I'm Running, but then was recaptured and not released until the Keys to Ascension II sessions, when he returned but as only a shadow of his former self.
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Posted: October 17 2007 at 18:29 |
stonebeard wrote:
I find I enjoy it more if I just imagine Howe and Anderson are still in the band. It's doesn't really take all that much imagining. |
Howe WAS in the band and his work in the album is stunning. He sounds really powerful and hard rockin'.
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Posted: October 17 2007 at 18:34 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
1800iareyay wrote:
Tempus Fugit is one of my
favorite Yes tunes. One of the last great performances from Squire.
When they went fully commercial his playing took a back seat, which is
probably the single greatest reason I hate that period. |
Chris was abducted by aliens after the Drama tour. He
briefly escaped during the Big Generator sessions to record I'm
Running, but then was recaptured and not released until the Keys to
Ascension II sessions, when he returned but as only a shadow of his
former self. |
very true... he really did phone it in after Drama....
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: October 18 2007 at 03:44 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
All I have to say is, just read my review and you`ll see how much I love that album. One of the best Roger Dean covers that`s for sure. |
It's not bad, but his best cover for Yes has to be the Keys to Ascension II cover.
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Posted: October 18 2007 at 04:11 |
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i like it a lot and i also think that it is a tremendous achievement for a band, after having lost so essential members to release such a decent album..
Edited by toolis - October 18 2007 at 04:12
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