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Poll Question: Which of these choices best describes you?
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I guess I am a casual fan. I am not familiar with their entire catalog but enjoy listening to the albums I do know. I prefer Godbluff, so I guess I am not a true fan.
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Both great but Pawn Hearts
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Originally posted by Euclid Euclid wrote:

Both great but Pawn Hearts

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The second option fits me best.

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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

In another thread, I stated a belief that true Van der Graaf Generator fans prefer "Pawn Hearts" over "Godbluff".

Not that I really have an aspiration to be a true VdGG aficionado, but to be honest, this opinion of yours hurts me in relation to my big fondness and admiration of three VdGG albums.
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^ If you're that easily hurt, why ask for opinions in the first place? And why does it matter to you? So you're very fond of three VdGG albums. That obviously makes you more of a casual fan. I'm really fond of Fragile, Close to the Edge and Relayer, but I'm not nearly as exited about the rest of their "classic era-albums". I don't think I've listened to any Yes-album from start to finished released after Drama. No actual Yes-fan would consider me a genuine fan.


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Godbluff.

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Happy 75 to Peter Hammill, btw!

A fan and Godbluff by a mile, don't get all the Pawn Hearts worship honestly

But of course the best VDGG album is Still Life, everyone knows that
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^ If you're that easily hurt, why ask for opinions in the first place? And why does it matter to you? So you're very fond of three VdGG albums. That obviously makes you more of a casual fan. I'm really fond of Fragile, Close to the Edge and Relayer, but I'm not nearly as exited about the rest of their "classic era-albums". I don't think I've listened to any Yes-album from start to finished released after Drama. No actual Yes-fan would consider me a genuine fan.

Just wanted to point that telling people, they're not true fans, may hurt their feelings. While what is a true fan is a very subjective question. Wink


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Is a true fan similar to true prog? Is VdGG true prog?

I've never heard Godbluff but Pawn Hearts is cool.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^ If you're that easily hurt, why ask for opinions in the first place? And why does it matter to you? So you're very fond of three VdGG albums. That obviously makes you more of a casual fan. I'm really fond of Fragile, Close to the Edge and Relayer, but I'm not nearly as exited about the rest of their "classic era-albums". I don't think I've listened to any Yes-album from start to finished released after Drama. No actual Yes-fan would consider me a genuine fan.

Just wanted to point that telling people, they're not true fans, may hurt their feelings. While what is a true fan is a very subjective question. Wink

No you wrote that YOU were hurt. And what a true fan means is not really all that subjective. Come on, it's not like a "what is art?" kind of question. Fan is short for fanatic. You're obviously nowhere near a VdGG-fanatic. Nothing wrong with that, and not an important issue. Just like with me and Yes, you (really) like a few of their albums.


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Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

Happy 75 to Peter Hammill, btw!

A fan and Godbluff by a mile, don't get all the Pawn Hearts worship honestly

But of course the best VDGG album is Still Life, everyone knows that

Pawn Hearts is amazing... but I agree with everything else you said! 

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It's a bit like comparing Close To The Edge with Relayer in my opinion (you can decide which is which as you like). As a more longer term set in stone fan of Yes I would vote I'm A Yes Fan and prefer Close To The Edge. I haven't voted here because I'm just not sure which VDGG album of those I prefer (both are equally great). Maybe I'm just a casual fan but I did fork out for that VDGG box set.
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Godbluff for sentimental reasons.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

. Maybe I'm just a casual fan but I did fork out for that VDGG box set.

which one, Rich? Interference Patterns?
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

. Maybe I'm just a casual fan but I did fork out for that VDGG box set.

which one, Rich? Interference Patterns?

The Charisma Years.

I can't afford such things anymore but I couldn't resist that one.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The Charisma Years.

I can't afford such things anymore but I couldn't resist that one.

ah, great set. I also have to pick my battles these days, but did splash out £60 on IP last years... beautifully presented and very much worthwhile...
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

.... And what a true fan means is not really all that subjective. Come on, it's not like a "what is art?" kind of question. Fan is short for fanatic. You're obviously nowhere near a VdGG-fanatic. Nothing wrong with that, and not an important issue. Just like with me and Yes, you (really) like a few of their albums.

Okay, you're right if to put it that way. Big smile
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None of the options describes me well, so I won't vote. I wouldn't consider myself a "fan", but I do like their first six or seven albums or so, including Aerosol Grey Machine which was actually my entrance into the world of VDGG - it is maybe their most 'lighthearted' album and I can appreciate that. I very much enjoy Pawn Hearts as I do enjoy Godbluff, and see no interest for myself to put one over the other so I'd actually choose both...

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^^ And then I'm even more fond of being called "aficionado". LOL
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