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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sem__ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2023 at 15:37
Dutch sounds great in music, not biased! Sounds better in something like kleinkunst than in rock IMO because it's not a very melodic language.

But its Americanisation, it's the worst in East Flanders, the amount of random English lingo in regular speech is honestly quite annoying. You just have to look for it, and you will spot it all around you, everywhere.
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

English may sound smoother and more familiar in songs than the native language of German or Dutch speaking peoples, so many artists (at least in the prog niche) have adopted it as a language of song. 
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This is the part of our discussion and the type/style of music that hurts everyone, and makes it once again, the new law that the one who sells the most is right, and that would mean that anything in any European or worldly language could not possibly compete with English.

French has its emotional side and expression, that is less mental, than English if you start with Shakespeare.

Italian is very expressive on a personal level, and has been for a long time, even in opera.

Spanish has done well, but I think their tradition to the flamenco and the guitar, have hurt the development of new music styles. But the singing style still stood up ... a sort of "solo" voice amidst the instruments.

Germany is a bit different for me. The schlagger is a copy of western music. The "krautrock" is something that is completely anti-western music in its expression, in favor of something else that we have a hard time describing and discussing. But you know that it is intense and strong. Reminds me of some AD2 lyrics, that we think are psychedelic and in the end, they are much less psychedelic than they are a really pointed finger at various things. And the translations of a lot of these things falls off badly, since we do not understand or get the feeling behind it.

You can see Italian quite well in the translations for PFM, Le Orme and Banco. In all cases, the Italian sounds much prettier and the words do not throw off the singer's ideas and concepts. But in English, the words are a bit less clear and make the understanding of the pieces more difficult.

Result? If they have to sing in English ... their inner soul is probably already gone, because they can not express in English the soul that their language possesses, they were born with ... and it won't sound quite right. And here, many folks are letting metal and growl hide the language altogether .... which is another story.
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Spanish is definitely the second-biggest pop/rock language on the planet.


Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Maybe English is just more attractive (IMO it absolutely isn't).
That's because you're not Dutch. I'm not speaking for all Dutch people, but I find it hard to take Dutch vocals seriously. I also can't stand Dutch movies or shows unless they're comedic. I like some Dutch-language songs, but that's more despite of the langauge. I know some other people who feel the same, and know some Germans who don't like their own language that much either.

Of course trying to appeal to markets outside of the Netherlands and Belgium, and the fact that over here, everybody speaks English anyway play a role too. But for me at least, it's not an appealing language at all. Not for music, at least.


As a Belgo-Franco-Canadian working in North Holland (West-Friesland), I must say that communicating is not always easy, because ABN is not exactly the norm in either the NL or VL.

Isn't Focus' Harem Scarem's vocals in Dutch?? TongueLOLClown

I have no problem with Dutch or Flemish films (except that I won't understand everything). In rock, whatever few attempts to sing in "Dutch" have been +/- convincing (Clouseau or the excellent Spinvis), but indeed, if Golden Earring had stuck to Dutch texts, I doubt that Liefde Radar would be known worldwide (maybe in Aruba and Sumatra).

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Most people do not listen to music out of their comfort zone, let alone in a language they do not understand. 


Tons of people listen to international pop songs without having an idea of what the lyrics are all (or not) about. 

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

English may sound smoother and more familiar in songs than the native language of German or Dutch speaking peoples, so many artists (at least in the prog niche) have adopted it as a language of song. It seems unlikely to me that this is motivated by attempts to reach the Billboard Hot 100. Most Italian prog artists seem to have less problems with singing in their own language. It seems unlikely to me that this is motivated by attempts to reach the Billboard Hot 100.


Italians and Germans have much wider home markets than NL+Vl. However, if a singer sings in "Dutch", he's obviously not aiming outside the home market. I have no idea if the Schlagers have important social/political texts , but there were bands in the turn of the 70's that were calling their music Polit Rock (Ihre Kinder, if memory serves).
Grobschnitt was more credible in German than in English, IMHO.

The French world is a bit of an exception, because a lot of singers have a certain way with lyrics (les chansons à textes) and


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