The Best Progressive Rock Band of The '60s? |
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enigmatic
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Btw, some interviews by David Hughes from early 70s can be found here:
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If that is correct, it's certainly not bad news, Enigmatic, but very good to correct some important historical informations. I had it from Edward Macan's book Rocking the Classics, which I considered to be a reliable source.
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Groundbreaking, innovative album. I simply love it. My 3rd favorite album from 1969 releases, right after "In the Court.." and Soft Machine Vol. 2. Borderline progressive and proto-prog to my ears, not full blown progressive rock. Again, this is just my subjective opinion, we don't have to agree on everything siLLy puPPy. |
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It's astounding that Tull has been around since 1967 and is still [Anderson] making music & touring.
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Zappa was releasing records that had never been heard before, fusing all genres of music into something unheard of, new, and exciting. If the definition of progressive rock means to create music that is pushing boundaries, is not the popular stuff played on the radio, or the music does not have the repetitious verse - chorus - bridge - repeat - format. Zappa towers above any prog artist in the 60's. |
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^ You got that right, fella
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On basis of the discussion so far, I see this important question to answer: Can a band be considered Progressive Rock band before releasing a full blown Progressive Rock album?
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^That is subjective. What may be a "full blown" prog rock album for some isn't for others. I don't consider the KC debut or the Moody Blues full blown prog.
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Surely agree, the question is more about what when not released album yet. Like KC in the period between being formed in January 69 and releasing ITCOTCK in October 69.
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Question for you Grumpyprogfan - which album in your opinion is FIRST full blown progressive rock album ever recorded? |
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Guess it depends what you consider progressive. Granted KC introduced something mind blowing but just because it was the best doesn't mean it was the first. Not my opinion. That's just the definition of progressive rock by the majority. In the end it doesn't really matter. Just enjoy the music :)
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^ Exactly. BTW, I just played Mercator Projected in the background while working. I work remotely from home. What a great frickin' album! Probably first true progressive rock album. By "true" I mean entire album can be considered as progressive rock versus one or two songs. It's still not full blown prog-rock, IMO. It misses the complexity, unconventional chord progressions, shifting time signatures included on ITCOTCK.
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^ the second album Snafu is even better, at least to my ears. Well even KC's debut isn't as complex as other albums to come. Henry Cow for example so where exactly the term "progressive rock" picks up from "adventurous art rock" will always be up to individual interpretation. Personally i'm OK with Hansson & Karlsson's Monument being considered the first prog rock album. The term doesn't mean ridiculously complex, it must means that rock has taken on elements of classical, jazz and other complex musical styles. Same with Days of Future Passed. Crazy time signatures are only one aspect of prog. We could debate this forever! Haha!
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And I find Renaisannce's debut album more full blown than ITCOTCK.
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I somehow feel the same with Days of Future Passed, but otherwise, to decide what to think, I usually compare to the typical standard of Prog Rock from the early 70s.
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I guess it's good to distinguish between those two.
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I'd add: The Mothers of Invention Freak Out (1966) through Uncle Meat (1969) Don Ellis Orchestra 'Live' at Monterey! (Jan 1967) Strawberry Alarm Clock Incense and Peppermints (Oct. 1967) The Moody Blues Days of Future Passed (Nov. 1967) The Soft Machine s/t (December 1968) John McLaughlin Extrapolation (Jan. 1969) Chicago Chicago Transit Authority (April 1969) Tony Williams Lifetime Emergency (Aug. 1969) The Soft Machine Volume Two (Sept 1969) maybe some Byrds, The Doors s/t debut (for "Light My Fire") and a Hendrix album or two--not to mention a Beatles album or two (or three). |
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Anyway, I see some good reason in considering the bands like The Moody Blues, Procol Harum, the Nice, The Soft Machine and Pink Floyd to be the first wave of Progressive Rock in UK. |
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My personal favourite band of the 60s is Pink Floyd, also being very progressive already beginning in 1966 - even not in the Symphonic but the Space Rock way. Pink Floyd was very appreciated too and the most important forerunner for Kosmische Rock. Besides that, and not least, their albums from the 60s are still very appreciated today. Edited by David_D - January 07 2023 at 08:29 |
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Hi, I think that David D is underestimating the musical ability of many of the folks in Caravan, and indeed almost all of Canterbury ... these were all well educated and about to become upper level students in music, and the rock bands, in some cases, were just some fun on the side, although I think they took them a bit more serious. These were not school/street kids that decided they liked rock this and that ... and went out to create some "new" music. These were folks that knew what they were doing, but when they decided to do something together it had to be very different from the "norm" (WHICH WAS WHAT THE ART SCENE WAS ABOUT!!!) .... however, I don't think that David D knows/understands the feelings at the time, and how so much of the music we like and consider "progressive" was not just a "song" in the same format as all others. To him, it's all songs, not music, and even someone like Hugh Hopper once said ... "I might as well go wash dishes if you are not here for the music!" And the worst side of it, is that David D has no idea what the connection between many of the Canterbury folks and so many writers and artists, hanging around, including well-known actors. It's a different world when you are into an artistic group, instead of simply thinking "just another rock'n'roll song" (how pathetic!) or let's do a "progressive song" (they wouldn't know progressive from polka dot reggae!). The influences, when it comes to creativity are MASSIVE and they helped what became known as "progressive music", something that David D, I don't think, understands or can relate to. I don't think that David D is always "wrong", he has many good posts out there, but knowing and understanding the history of some of these things is important ... it's bad enough that you can't tell people in this board that there is no difference between Damo and Kinski, because they will ignore it and have no idea why that comparison was made! Like Canterbury, "krautrock" was an art scene, not a rock music scene. SF was an art scene before it got corrupted by idiots with flowers in their hair! NY was an art scene, until someone thought that MM and a Tomato Soup can was more far out than the work itself as an art form ... it became the end of "art" in America!!!! Maybe one day we will give "Progressive Music" some credit it deserves other than being just another pop song out there!
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