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 moshkito wrote:

 Catcher10 wrote:

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If someone thinks the "music" is better, then they don't understand.....The music will not be better, but for sure the sound of the music can be better (too subjective), I prefer that the sound of the music can be more engaging so I do BUY IT! SW is one of many who can manipulate a recording to be more engaging because the original mix engineer may have missed that mark.

Hi,

I'm not sure I like this statement. It's tough, and if you go back and watch the Tom Dowd special, and then the George Martin special (with him not the other crap'r!) ... you will know that people all along have been trying really hard to make anything sound better, and then Alan Parsons applied the general classic theory to Pink Floyd and everyone thought sliced bread was invented. It did sound great, but it had to do with the band's slower level of playing than any rock music out there ... it gave the engineer TIME to be able to make things sound better!

The engaging side of things is different. Something in my head set, including 4 different versions of something, which you can do with classical music and various conductors, and way better than 99% of rock bands out there, is a bit of an illusion, since ... if the music itself DOES NOT BRING YOU WITH IT, it will not matter how good or clever the engineer was with the piece!

You got to remember that. I think you are caught up in an imaginary view of the music displayed differently that you think defines the music and its own world ... but I sincerely doubt that any of this "manipulation" has anything to do with the source of the music itself ... and how it grabs you ... it doesn't matter if it is Strauss, Beethoven, Mozart, or SheepDipBand ... the music itself has to "have it" ... or it will sound like SW doing the recent PT album ... great mechanics in the recording ... lousy design and improvement for the music itself ... what is all this about? PT or SW? ... I think it came off as SW, not PT, and that is unfair to Richard and Gavin, who sounded very ordinary ... in fact the drumming sounded like it was mailed in! Gavin was way better with KC ... very poor in this album, and it suggests that the music itself was not that good or well defined and designed ... and SW tried to make it better, but the music did not come up with it.
You have to remember and understand the music that we hear is NOTHING like what was played in the studio during the recording. You have nothing to compare it to, you were not in the studio during the recording, you were not in the studio during the mixdown, nor were you in the studio during the mastering portion.....You and all of us only have what was released, that's the only music we know. You can't really believe that GMartin or AParsons had a version that was better but chose something different that ultimately was not the best, how on earth....??
We only have what was ultimately released, that's all. 

And what SW or Bernie Grundman, Kevin Gray and other current mastering engineers can do is simply remix the original recording to bring out more sounds that may be buried, and it's only opinion if that sounds better. But in a lot of cases it can make it more engaging to the original mix, is the "music" any better?? I argue no, it will never be better or worse, it is what it is because we don't have all the original studio recordings released to the public to compare to....Some box sets have alternate takes, and those tend to be very raw but it is rare those are the ones people prefer.