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Quote I watched as he attempted the simplest beautiful Christmas song or a Beatles song and was UNABLE to play the song through without a flurry of arpeggios spoiling the flow or intention of the song.

I see what you mean. Even if you have a trademark proggy thing that you always play, some songs just don't need to have it inserted, and in such cases your flashy prog lick may stick out like a sore thumb or something. I have the same problem with Pär Nilsson's guitar solos in Hans Lundin's Kaipa. They're way too technical for that kinda music.
This illustrates this idea perfectly 🤣:


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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Oops, did I forget to tuck in my cape? LOL

Oh, you chose being Cpt. Obvious. Now choose your mask in order not to be that "obvious". Star
I refer you to my icon. Wink
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote I watched as he attempted the simplest beautiful Christmas song or a Beatles song and was UNABLE to play the song through without a flurry of arpeggios spoiling the flow or intention of the song.

I see what you mean. Even if you have a trademark proggy thing that you always play, some songs just don't need to have it inserted, and in such cases your flashy prog lick may stick out like a sore thumb or something. I have the same problem with Pär Nilsson's guitar solos in Hans Lundin's Kaipa. They're way too technical for that kinda music.
This illustrates this idea perfectly 🤣:
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I'll catch hell for this, but...I find this same thing with a bit of Wakeman's stuff. He does have his go-to licks and sounds and I'll admit to the 'branding' aspect of that, but it's something that I always seem to take note of.


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^ I meant: "Choose one of them." You're not double-faced, are you? Clown
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^ Oh, I like Geminian people. They are really smart. Wink

But do we have to compensate for Rudess' uninterestingness with a myriad of weird topics here? AngryLOL

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I think Rudess has plenty of beautiful work in his own right, from Scenes up through A View. He has his own very flashy, almost overplayed style, which is perfect for Dream Theater.
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

^ Oh, I like Geminian people. They are really smart. Wink

But do we have to compensate for Rudess' uninterestingness with a myriad of weird topics here? AngryLOL
I'm afraid so...he brought this on himself. Big smile
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

I think Rudess has plenty of beautiful work in his own right, from Scenes up through A View. He has his own very flashy, almost overplayed style, which is perfect for Dream Theater.

Perfectly stated. Thumbs Up
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^ he can't hold a candle to Kevin Moore and Kevin's work with DT. Big smile
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ he can't hold a candle to Kevin Moore and Kevin's work with DT. Big smile


Moore had his own flair which worked really well with the material DT played at the time. I don't think his style would have worked as well going forward though. He was a less flashy player and I think DT were natural headed in a more ostentatious direction.
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ he can't hold a candle to Kevin Moore and Kevin's work with DT. Big smile


Moore had his own flair which worked really well with the material DT played at the time. I don't think his style would have worked as well going forward though. He was a less flashy player and I think DT were natural headed in a more ostentatious direction.

His style changed, the closer song of Awake stands proof. 

I also like Kevin's work since he left DT more than anything Jordan has done outside DT. 
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Neither is this topic.
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I must admit that over time Jordan's playing has become less and less interesting to me, at least on the Dream Theater stuff (haven't heard any of his solo work). 
Whilst there's no doubting his technical skill, I agree with some of the other posters that his playing has now become too predictable, seemingly more interested in how many notes he can squeeze in rather than anything else.

The more Jordan continues with this style of playing, the more I find myself enjoying Kevin Moore's work on earlier albums, and I am now starting to think that I really underrated Kevin's talent.
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Originally posted by bender99 bender99 wrote:

I must admit that over time Jordan's playing has become less and less interesting to me, at least on the Dream Theater stuff (haven't heard any of his solo work). 

Whilst there's no doubting his technical skill ...
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Hi,

Without criticizing either Jordan or the band, it is my thought that the band's music is not a total thing, that involves all the musicians, and thus, Jordan's additions to it, seem to come off more as just plain addons, than they do as part of the soul of the music itself.

In many ways, I do think that part of the problem is the use of the guitar that has been for almost 10 years totally concentrated on thrashing, and not on the greatness of the music, which would have to involve all the other members to make it stronger. Since everyone else is just background for the guitar, I'm not sure that anyone would have done better than Jordan ... this is the guitar's band, not anyone else's ... you don't even get anything better/stronger from anyone to help the music ... it is not allowed ... musicianship is like ... it can't exist next to a thrashing guitar!

In this sense, I really think DT is done. Anything they do will not amount to anything different and having moments and parts of the music that showcases, John, or Jordan, or even the singer. The way the band composes and works does not allow for that I don't think!

I kinda look at it this way ... that guitar player can't do anything but thrash and it hurts the totality of the band!




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Originally posted by odmusicman odmusicman wrote:

It was stated in my post. He does not create memorable themes (of course there a few) but generally his playing, practically in the last several years, is a lot of incessant fast flurries and doubling up with Petrucci (faster flurries) and endless fast arpeggios. As I stated, it's hard for me to think back over the last 5-6 years and think of a single memorable thing he played, a memorable theme, or an arrangement. That's what I mean.
I agree he plays a lot of notes in DT but he also has heartfelt slower compositions. You just need to search for them. DT is a band of fast flurries, so he fits well. 

This is from his 2021 release A Chapter in Time

Also, Jordan's solo piano album Secrets of the Muse is a lot softer than most his material. Wink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qalg9HentvE&list=RDqalg9HentvE&start_radio=1






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I'm really sure Jordan couldn't care less what you or anyone thinks! He's laughing all the way to the bank!

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I'm really sure Jordan couldn't care less what you or anyone thinks! He's laughing all the way to the bank!

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that does not mean we cannot express an opinion on Rudess. 

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