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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4095 |
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hard choice --as PG is more of an artistic creative record and Drama is easy to listen to.
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Sacro_Porgo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 15 2019 Location: Cygnus Status: Offline Points: 2062 |
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I do think this is another one of those polls that sets up the divide between "prog" and "progressive" quite nicely.
Melt is a pretty obviously progressive album, even if only for introducing the world to the drum sound of the 80s (which Phil subsequently took directly over to Face Value and made it world famous). That said, it doesn't retain much of the "prog" style that much of the music on this site is based in. No 20 minute suites, or even 10 minute epics. The closest you get is a multi-section story song "Family Snapshot" and a seven minute slow build "Biko." This album is all about new sounds, new production techniques, unusual song ideas, atmospherics and moods. The epitome of "art rock" if you ask me. Drama on the other hand is pretty obviously a "prog" album. While it does contain elements that are pushing music forward (thank you The Buggles), it centers mainly on a harder edged prog style for most of the album that isn't terribly far off from the music Yes had already been making throughout the 70s, if a little meaner. You do get a 10 minute epic in "Machine Messiah," and another lengthy proggy gem in "Into The Lens."
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7432 |
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"Melt," if only for the track "Biko."
I don't know "Drama" very well, and the Buggles era of Yes never interested me much.
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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I have chunks of DRAMA songs in my head, daily, without consciously trying lol.
DAYLIGHT; I COULD NEVER LET YOU GO; AND YOU; ALWAYS LET THE FEELING SHOW!!! Drama.
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maryes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 16 2009 Location: rio de janeiro Status: Offline Points: 990 |
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I agree |
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Artik ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 22 2020 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 446 |
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Sure it's Drama!
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Earl of Mar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 13 2020 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1214 |
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I dont like Gabriel's workmafter the second album very much. Melt except for a few tracks is not a favourite and I was disappointed after what I thought were two fine, interesting, varied albums.
So its Drama for me. |
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HeyItsJustJP ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2021 Location: Orlando, FL Status: Offline Points: 67 |
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Enjoy both, but Melt is just on a totally different level for me.
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TerLJack ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 18 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1125 |
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Drama is great, but Melt is even greater.
I also think "Family Snapshot," "Biko," and "Intruder" stand taller lyrically than anything on Drama.
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20035 |
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Not even Biko? It's very close call for me but I'd probably go for PG.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37759 |
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I would have said, "Not even Games Without Frontiers?" That is one of my very favourite songs that has been an "in regular rotation" staple of classic rock radio here. I'm glad Peter Gabriel moved on from Genesis into his "solo" career. I hugely prefer Melt. I don't like the classic opening track on Drama, "Machine Messiah", and it doesn't improve for me as the album moves on. It's due to albums such as this that I don't think of myself as a Prog fan. I tried to listen through it again, but it is dreadful to these ears.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13249 |
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Paul, you're missing out on one of the great albums of the 1980s. From the song "The Intruder" with the sinister Peter Lorre whistle (from the movie "M", where Lorre is a whistling serial killer) all the way to the anti-apartheid anthem "Biko'' it is a splendid progressive concept album featuring folks like Robert Fripp, Kate Bush, Phil Collins and Tony Levin.
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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^ It is; I completely agree with this. But this is also the downside of this kind of binary polls: we have to chose between two great albums (in my perspective) and then argument why we prefer one over the other. Personally I have much pleasure listening to both. On the other hand, we also discover that some just don't like real prog...
And this is an admin... Maybe, we all should undergo a prog affinity test to see if we are worthwhile members of PA.... ![]() PS: I might not pass the test myself, BTW... Edited by suitkees - October 02 2021 at 11:22 |
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13812 |
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Melt is one of the finest albums ever made, a work which even after 40 years is still played regularly and holds a very special place in my collection. It was just about the perfect fusion of post punk rock, progressive rock, electronic rock, experimentation, and the most nailed on political statements ever put to music. About as perfect an album as it is possible to be released. Full of emotion and absolutely biting in its execution.
Drama, by contrast, is absolutely none of the above. About as dull as it gets. Sorry…….
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6842 |
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I like both. And went with Melt as I find it a stronger album emotionally.
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b_olariu ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2007 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 5536 |
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Yes: Drama by far
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If by better album we mean a consistent, dependable cornucopia of quality rock, Drama wins. But if the content itself counts, the texture, innovations and sound design, Melt could be superior. |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29768 |
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really good summation PG is a tough listen and takes no prisoners. Games Without Frontiers was a surprise top 5 hit in the UK garnering a lot of airplay so it may not be quite as far away from pop as people like to believe. Shock the Monkey and No Self Control were also played quite a bit on radio at the time while Biko is the best live singalong ever!. Its a very clever album but not as inaccessible as many would like to believe. My vote is Drama. I only put 3 other Yes albums clearly above it and was a return to form in my view. Some really sharp playing and Squire was never better than on Does It Really Happen? A vote for the prog album!
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20035 |
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Doh, yes of course.
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20035 |
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Shock the Monkey is on PG4.
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