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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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nick’s recommendation The Opium Cartel is possibly the best example I’ve heard of progressive sophisti-pop:
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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^ It was definitely my immediate thought, in terms of modern, progressive sophist-pop. Glad you enjoyed it. 🤗
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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I know a lot of modern sophisti-pop groups (I run an online group on the genre) but none of them mix in progressive elements like this. So good. Are their other albums similar?
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Listen to those Ferry albums... and then this one....by Simple Minds..New Gold Dream and also Sparkle In The Rain...but many of them might fit your bill. But my personal favorites are Sons and Fascination and Sister Feelings Call...both brilliant art pop and instrumental things also. One of my all time favorite tracks by them... Edited by dr wu23 - March 11 2021 at 16:07 |
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Hi Crane!! The Painted Word (my mistake, its The Painted Word not World) was the band of Peter John Vettese (keyboardist of Jethro Tull), they oonly release two amazingd albums, i recommend you "Lovelife" Sophisti- pop prog hybrid i recommend you: North Atlantic Oscilation, I specially recommend you the album "Fog Electric" Wild Nothing - "Nocturne" where the band shows influences from Shoegaze and Dream pop Leaves - "The Angela Test" very Radiohead + Orchestrations + pop Eksi Ekso - "I am your b*****d wings" post rock + orchestraton + pop melodies |
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They're one of my top bands. Love everything they done between Drums & Wires and Nonsuch. Black Sea, English Settlement and Skylarking are pretty much masterpieces IMO. |
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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I’m liking the Painted Word songs I’m hearing. Very good, if typical, sophisti-pop. I’ll try to track down the full albums. I’ll also have to look into your other recommendations. Thanks!
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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I love NAO, and Fog Electric was my introduction to them. I now own all their releases, but whether because it is better, or perhaps simply because it was my first, Fog Electric is probably still my favourite NAO album.
I’m a really big fan of Nordic Giant’s Amplify Human Vibration album, too, which isn’t really anything like Fog Electric, but for some reason my mind always pairs the two albums up, and generally if I listen to one of those albums, I end up wanting to listen to the other one, too. |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 45756 |
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^ isn't shoegaze a rock subgenre rather than pop. For me, anything that got guitar distortion, is not pop music anymore.
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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Despite the use of the word pop in the name, dreampop and shoegaze are generally seen as synonymous and interchangeable. Often you’ll find that what is described as shoegaze on one side of the Atlantic, is referred to as dreampop on the other. A lot or rock is pop anyway, so it’s somewhat spurious to imply they are wholly different. 🤷🏻♂️ Whether the music is more rock-oriented, or more pop-oriented, dreampop/shoegaze is essentially alternative rock that focuses on texture over melody. The 4AD bands were often labelled as dreampop, for example. And, since I was talking about NAO and Nordic Giants in my post, I may as well mention that fellow Kscope artists, Engineers, have also been labelled dreampop. Personally, even though I like a lot of bands that have been labelled that way, I don’t use it myself as I tend to feel that there is so much difference between all the bands, that it renders the label somewhat arbitrary and meaningless - similar to grunge, in that respect. |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 45756 |
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I was trying to make a silly joke, that's why there were two silly emoticons there, but I agree with what you say there (the sentences I bolded there). Aren't Nordic Giants a post rock band? I listened to one of their albums. If i remember right, I suggested them here on PA.
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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While I think you’re right that dream pop and shoegaze both emphasise texture over melody, I don’t think they’re exactly synonymous. I tend to think of shoegaze as distinctly derived from rock, explicitly in its use of affected guitar to achieve its textures.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18987 |
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How about Level 42? Not overly prog though but I think some prog fans like them. Another band to check out might be the Cocteau Twins. Also, the Cure who I only mention because some of their stuff was a bit proggy. Ok, I'll stop before I start throwing every 80's band I can think of out there.
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OMG, not mention of OMD? OMD and Talk Talk, man - Ultravox and Japan, too. Even better than those last two are David Sylvan's first sols LPs.....and don't forget ex-Bebop Deluxe guitarist Bill Nelson's solo albums.
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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Honestly, it is possible that over time they have come to mean different things, but certainly when they were first used, they were used interchangeably. Dreampop was coined as the name of the genre before shoegaze. In fact, from memory shoegaze as a label came about in a similar way to Krautrock - as a joke, that was never meant to become a label, but somehow stuck. I think the joke was something along the lines of “Dreampop? You may as well call it shoegazing.” And so people did, and what was once known as dreampop started to sometimes be called shoegaze as well. But because shoegaze was coined in the UK, it took awhile for the usage to make it across to the US. (It would be different for sure these days, with the interweb as it is now.) That meant for a time, generally speaking, bands were increasingly known as shoegaze in the UK, but still known as dreampop in the US. Bands like My Bloody Valentine who are definitely more rock than pop to me, were initially known as a dreampop band. I suspect any separation of the terms has been done retrospectively. Personally, I don’t really care, and have never used either label. Neither gives a great indication of what you are going to hear. They are as arbitrary and meaningless as grunge was. But living in NZ, where we had about 50/50 media coming from the UK and the US it was definitely noticeable at the time that the same band was called dreampop initially by both, and then shoegaze in UK media, and dreampop in US media. |
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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With due respect, I do want to stay away from simply naming sophisti-pop groups in this thread. I’m looking particularly for any groups that might have taken the sound to another level in a progressive kind of way. Talk Talk fits that description to an extent. I love Japan, particularly their later material, and Level 42, not as familiar with OMD, but I don’t think those groups are particularly prog!
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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That clears things up, nick. Thanks!
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Interesting discussion, thanks for starting it!
How about bands like Spandau Ballet, or Sparks? Lots of synth, not blues-based etc. Lots of options to explore!
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fantastic thread guys, keep it up!
Also please recommend me some chill and deep ambient-pop/prog-pop a-la Talk Talk, David Slvian, The Blue Nile, Tor Lundvall, Bowery Electric, Julia Holter and No-Man. Thanks! |
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