How about progressive pop as another sub-genre?

FatherChristmas wrote: Cristi wrote: chopper wrote: FatherChristmas wrote: Cristi wrote: [QUOTE=Nogbad_The_Bad]I don't think Led Zeppelin were ever 'pop' what is pop music anymore?  No matter how I try to define it, it makes less and less sense.  Does pop music include whatever music is popular? Then Led Zep is pop, and so is Slayer.  Does pop mean whatever is mainstream? Trendy or trending... ?  Led Zeppelin were popular, so yes, they made pop music. It just isn't very popular these days. "Does pop mean whatever is mainstream? Trendy or trending... ? " Yep, pretty much. No, Led Zep never were a "pop" band in the sense of making singles for the top 30 market. They were popular yes, but pop, no way. Ok, they didn't neccesarily make hugely successful singles, but does that really mean they weren't pop? I feel pop is far too much of a discredit round here. After all, Pink Floyd was really popular, but why are they not considered pop? Because prog fans don't like pop music and think it's the most disgusting thing on Earth?

Edited by Cristi - September 13 2020 at 10:44

FatherChristmas wrote: Cristi wrote: FatherChristmas wrote: Cristi wrote: chopper wrote: FatherChristmas wrote: Cristi wrote: [QUOTE=Nogbad_The_Bad]I don't think Led Zeppelin were ever 'pop' what is pop music anymore?  No matter how I try to define it, it makes less and less sense.  Does pop music include whatever music is popular? Then Led Zep is pop, and so is Slayer.  Does pop mean whatever is mainstream? Trendy or trending... ?  Led Zeppelin were popular, so yes, they made pop music. It just isn't very popular these days. "Does pop mean whatever is mainstream? Trendy or trending... ? " Yep, pretty much. No, Led Zep never were a "pop" band in the sense of making singles for the top 30 market. They were popular yes, but pop, no way. Ok, they didn't neccesarily make hugely successful singles, but does that really mean they weren't pop? I feel pop is far too much of a discredit round here. After all, Pink Floyd was really popular, but why are they not considered pop? Because prog fans don't like pop music and think it's the most disgusting thing on Earth? Some years ago, there was another term circulating for "pop" music in some parts of Europe, whose translation to English would be " light" or "easy" music.Easy as in easy to comprehend, for everyone (no offense there).  If pop is short for popular, then there are popular jazz artists, prog, blues, rock, hard rock, all sort of metal, etc.  And then there is the mainstream world...  so wtf is pop music?  I for one am clueless.  All right, Cristi, you've got me there! I'm not sure what I mean myself anymore!  Was the "easy" music in Europe by any chance "easy listening"?

FatherChristmas wrote: Ah, ok then. I'd rather listen to easy listening than so-called prog pop myself, though.

As already mentioned, we have Crossover Prog, and progressive pop and pop-rock (as a sort of pop "sound"/ poppy musical qualities rather than just meaning popular) can found across categories. Such a category for this progressive rock site is unneeded imo. Making we wonder if we should add Stereolab and Pram again, though. And Serge Gainsbourg (One I would have pushed if not for the big discography -- Histoire de Melody Nelson and Cannabis rock).

By thw way, I wrote a long post here trying to go into the meanings of the word pop: based on my research and understanding http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=122757

For progressive pop I wrote:

Progressive Pop is music that tries to break with the pop genre's standard formula. It can be likened to progressive rock that tried to break free of the constraints of the rock canon. Progressive pop may have extended instrumentation, break from traditional verse/chorus expectations bring in non-pop influences but still have an underlying pop aesthetic, or pop qualities. Unlike much pop, harmony, simple though pop harmonies tend to be, commonly is not its backing structure. It is generally more complex than other forms of pop, long songs are common, and some might call much of it progressive rock lite -- a crossover between the world of progressive rock and certain pop formats.

Too many genres/sub-genres for me. I just play the music, and then decide if I like it or not, no matter how it's classified. 

Lewian wrote: Bands like Everything Everything are proper progressive pop and excellent at that... except they are not prog by the standards of this site.