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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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There is stuff on each that make each of the 6 to be worth owning, with the possible exception of 1968 (which is easily at the bottom of the bunch for me). A brief overview: Vol 1: Cambridge Station - The really early stuff on disc 1 is probably of interest if you enjoy the pop-psych stuff of the Syd era (I don't really). The real treasure here is disc 2, which due to technical problems, gives a mostly instrumental set with some lovely extended instrumental bits and a very experimental track split into nine parts that should how unusual very early Floyd could be (if they wanted to be). Vol 2: Germination - For me the most unspectacular disc. A mish mash of early poppy stuff and some transitional BBC sessions. They definitely feel like they are finding their feet and IMO tracks such as ASOS and Careful With That Axe... are done better elsewhere in this collection. I'd say this one is just for completionists. Vol. 3: Dramatasion - If you only had to own one of these sets, this is the one. Disc 2 is The Man, The Journey concert in Amsterdam and it sounds wonderful. Disc 1 is also very enjoyable, with some More outtakes, a nice (albeit short) BBC session, and the live set similar to Ummagumma. For me, this is the highlight. Vol. 4: Deviation - Three versions of Atom Heart Mother make this a very interesting release. Its fun to try and spot the differences between the just the band version and the full ensemble version. The BBC session stuck in the middle is also top notch, with a great long form Embryo and Careful With That Axe, Eugene. Disc 2 is a bit more hit or miss, with the majority of the disc being various versions of various outtakes from Zabrinski Point, before rounding out with the third AHM. (This set also is slightly disappointing, as I would love to have the live KQED included in CD form. I would say this is the biggest omission in the set regarding material included on DVD but not CD.) Vol. 5: Reverberation - Just one disc this time, but its an excellent one. It's mostly a top notch BBC session from 1971 with a full Echoes and long form Embryo and Fat Old Sun. A high priority. Vol. 6: Obfuscation - The weirdest set in this collection. Disc one is just a remixed Obscured By Clouds, easily the least important disc in the whole set. The second disc however, is one of the best, with the Live In Pompeii performance finally being released as a CD. Some people have complained about mixing issues, but idk...to be it's perhaps my favorite thing included in the whole set. The full box set also includes a bonus disc, that hasn't been released separately, but to me, the only things of interest there are the Moonhead improv and Echoes live at Wlimbley, but this wasn't enough for me to justify getting the whole burrito. Short version: I'd rank them like this: 1969 1971 1970 1972 1965-1967 1968 Depending on how big a fan you are, you will probably need all of them. :p
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^Pretty good summary. The full box set also has the 7" vinyls which is a huge plus for me anyway. Plus the movies as I mentioned earlier.
Vol. 7 Continu/ation was released separately in Japan (very rare), but without the 2 DVD/Blu-ray discs (CD only). It just doesn't seem complete without the 3 full-length features, I wish they could have fit Zabriskie Point on there though. The entire big box set is just so immersive.
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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^ Yeah, not to sound flippant, but I have no use for vinyls (or any of the extras like ticket replication and other memorabilia), so I didn't realize that those were box exclusive. haha. But I can see those that do care that these things would be a plus. And interesting bit of news there with Vol. 7. Mildly tempted to see if I can find a cheapish copy, but will probably pass as those I imagine don't exist. Also, I meant to say in my post, that your reviews of these sets are truly excellent. Such depth and great explanations of not only the music but what is/isn't included in each, which in some ways I view as even more important. Well done!
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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Well you did write just about all and everything I was thinking about, so thank you for that. Although I am also agreeing with Eugene in that reviews are there for good. I love a good review but have not written one for ages. I don’t own a working computer right this minute so have been posting over the phone for a good while...maybe if the inspiration strikes at some point I’ll do my first ever review over my phone ![]() |
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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Individual! Went for 69, 70, 71 and 72 ![]() The actual box-set is way too pricey considering what I can get outside of it. Like Steve (HolyMoly) I too am not that big on dvd’s. The last time I saw a gig over the tv was probably over a decade ago (Pompeii or Woodstock perchance). I love live gigs...also as cds/lps..but yeah...I’d go for a really good flick over a tv-gig any day ![]() |
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I truly do enjoy a well-written review too, at one time in my life I wanted to be a professional film reviewer/ critic. My daughter would finger type her school papers on her smart phone, I post here on my phone sometimes. What I'd like is a good app to turn my phone into a dictaphone so I can just dictate into it. I'd go for a free version, but those come with ads, and I don't want my phone filled with obnoxious dic pics. Hopefully even if this site goes down the reviews will be archived. Topics often last long too, as long as the forum lasts or old posts are not deleted, people search and find topics in forums of interest. Quite often I do searches and come across Reddit threads of interest from years ago, for instance. Even if topics fall down the pages, someone might later find it of interest. I still sometimes read topics at this site from 15 years ago. Of course I have no idea how long this forum or site will last, and I think it more likely that the reviews would survive the dissolution, or "spading under" to borrow from the Heaven's Gate cult terminology, of this site. Reviews and forum discussion both have their place, and both can work in concert. Of course if forum discussion didn't have its use, then we wouldn't be using it right now. Imagine if Twitter and Facebook, not that I use either much, only consisted of reviews... Actually, that might be an improvement. ;) I look forward to reading more of your reviews in the future. Might try another myself at some time if I can find the right substance to inspire me. |
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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I have a somewhat ambivalent relationship with reviewing in that I generally love writing them (when inspired), but often when I come across them later on I realise that many of them need to be taken into the context of the music ie they don’t make sense unless you’ve heard the album for yourself. Therein lies the crux of dancing about architecture
![]() Then again many many sentences and ideas about music have been channeled through reviews - stuff I read maybe decades ago that still pops up when I listen to X album. Not so much about specifics like what band member played what or what year X song first was conjured up..but more to do with emotions and glib observations that somehow magically make sense. Sort of when you can draw a direct (or indeed un-direct) parallel between music and something else entirely...and it suddenly makes sense on a different level. That’s where I get really interested..and perhaps not so surprisingly also where I tend to reside psychologically when writing a review. Examples of others doing this beautifully right here on PA are David the Pear doing freeform reviews with strange unorthodox letters and cyphers, Greenback’s washing machines and TD as well as Michael Neumann’s urge for raw potatoes whilst listening to Trout Mask Replica. I have hundreds of similar images in my mind connected to the music via other people’s words. Btw thank you very much for your kind remarks earlier on Greg, much appreciated ![]() Edited by Guldbamsen - February 13 2020 at 02:03 |
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Yeah, but you can still find the original movie in the DVD's bonus... and it even doesn't have the DSOTM session interviews cutting the tracks on the VHS As for La Vallée & More, I was talking of the movies, not that albums.
Surely you can try one and see if it suits you Well there was no way I'd splurge for the big boxset, but they had announced that if you waited 6 months, the individual years boxsets would be released. And they cost some 35-50£$€ at the time, so it was a no brainer... Furthemore the megastoire was doing an action 2+1, so they cost me less than 30 apiece ![]() =============== The amazing thing is that the individual parts cost way less than the whole ![]() Try buying a car piece by piece and compare the costs to buying it all-built-up ![]()
I'd have the 68 set climb the rungs until it's above the 72 , but the rest is +/- my view as well ![]() But yeah, there is a lot of repeat too on the 68 set: Let There Be More Light is on there way too many times, and in some ways, the boxset shows that Floyd didn't have an easy time to reinvent themselves from a psych-pop band to a psych-prog one. Edited by Sean Trane - February 13 2020 at 03:26 |
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Not wishing to start the Third World War, but as a lifelong PF fan, from the first time I heard DSOTM, just months after release, I have always considered the acid, space, psyche rock Floyd to have ended on a high with DSOTM.
Where is the boxset cutoff point? |
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I gotta say that I am really smitten by the sets I’ve bought. I know that there are those who feel we got a poor deal with the amount of material offered up - especially considering how much stuff is out there...yet I feel very differently about it. Thing is it’d end up like one of those KC boxsets with the same tracks featured ad nauseum...sure it’s live and sounds different..but I still find myself having to muster up the strength to plow through a tirade of the same tracks with slightly ulterior expressions.
With these Floyd archival releases you get something else. There’s a flow to things. Hell it feels like ‘albums’. I put them on and instantly feel part of a story or a theme so to speak. I’m also really happy about owning Pompeii on cd!!!! Finally! I have it on VHS and in mp3 form somewhere...but having it on cd together with the BBC Sessions..as well as the French gig...aaand the brilliant one from Holland..and the live cuts of Atom Heart Mother...oh yeah and what effectively is a brand new ‘More’ album ( ![]() Put another way: I am far more likely to put on any of these cds compared to any other big band boxset I own...maybe with the exception of Tangerine Dream’s Official Bootleg Releases ![]() Edited by Guldbamsen - February 16 2020 at 05:05 |
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Writing reviews is an acquired taste, and expecting any reactions, is not something that you should be shooting for ... I recommend writing a "review" for YOURSELF and not anyone else ... what the public, or all the birds or all the fish in the sea pick up, is not something that you can control anyway ... and this has one very nice and valuable detail ... you learn to stretch your imagination and find your own words! It also gets you asked to have some reviews used in a few Film Festivals ... yeah, I knew there was one in Singapore! Now, the buck set ... I had, at one time, over 15 bootlegs ... and these days with The Orb, Floydhead and others doing versions of the early PF ... and while some folks think it is trash, a lot of what The Orb has done is almost exactly like so many of the bootlegs ... and in my estimation, the idea is to kill all of that right now before it gets even bigger ... and I sincerely doubt that any of the bootlegs has anything new or different that many of us have not heard ... unless you are looking for the 17th version of One of These Days, Atom Heart Mother, or Green is the Clod! it is what it is ... in some ways, I think that this is about trying to collect as much as possible as long as the band is still well known, and now that the old foggies are less worried about people hearing some of these old things that for someone like Roger goes around saying that many of them were stupid! Funny that it ain't stupid anymore when it gets you even more money! Pretty soon we will get Mick Jagger singing in a Chicago club and looking stupid with the folks behind him wondering how the heck that guy can sing ... and well ... they might not have seen it, but he became well known ... the rest of the musicians disappeared. There were some nice things in the old stuff ... but the sad thing is what PF did with the stuff and the bits and pieces in between (using their quadraphonic sound), which created a sort of story for the songs and their sequence which, eventually, gave us DSOTM and then TW ... where the "visuals" were completely integrated and were the story. How some 13/14 years flew in that time! Just listen to it for its "history" ... stop the song thing, because (SADLY) a lot of the things presented in this set, will not tell you anything about the growth of the band and how it developed. The stuff is too separated and split from its time, place, and use.
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Are you aware that there is a new (well September last year) Tangerine boxset, the Virgin years 73-79? ![]() It's got plenty of interesting bonus tracks in the whole box, but most of the albums have been reissued aqs standalone with the bonus tracks on them. However I find that the boxset conception is weak, because yhe 13 discs do not have their own cardboard sleeve, which makes it awkward. Edited by Sean Trane - February 16 2020 at 13:01 |
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The reason why I rarely buy those huge boxes...last year 'Love from the planet Gong' was very tempting but when I saw the size of it with the cds inside the large cardboards...no, I don't like it at all. The DVD size (floyd early years) is allright but I'm not too fond of them either. I'm definitely a cd guy and much prefer those: ![]() 8 discs/CD size small box ![]() That one is perfect - 40 albums, cd size book, the box = a fifteen jewel cases width. Edited by Barbu - February 16 2020 at 16:00 |
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I did end up getting it, but not until they released them individually, and I think at a better overall price, since it was indeed way too expensive... I just wish something similar happens with the new box-set of later years (I don't understand how they expect to sell it at just about the same price as the early years one, since it covers so much less albums / material). Still, for both sets, I didn't like they way they went around to release them... I believe they could / should have released it in albums format at regular album prices... they could have done a pair of "lost" studio albums, one for the Syd era songs, and another for the Gilmour pre dark side ones. And then some 3 live albums and one or two live videos... I could really have done without the interviews and promo stuff and so on. It could have been set at a better price, and I guess they would even have sold more copies. However, yes, the set does include some really great stuff. The Barrett era singles are nice, but specially the 1965 recordings that had never been released before (as well as In the Beechwoods, Vegetable Man, and Scream thy last Scream). Then there's the live disc, which sadly didn't get the vocals recorded, but the instrumental songs do sound great with all that jamming (Pow R Toc H, and Interstellar Overdrive). From the third set, it's nice to have a whole recording of The Man and the Journey concerts, though the two BBC concerts that follow in the next sets are actually better (I particularly love the 30 Sept 71 one, with my favourite versions of Fat Old Sun, One of these days, and Embryo, as well as Echoes as part of the set. Throughout the sets there are many great live videos to enjoy too.
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