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Economics is an even lesser science - lots of speculation.

I think politics have been lacking ideology, but saturated in identity, which means nothing to me. I wouldn't want to be compared or lumped in with those who look like me.

If there's one thing that drives me crazy here in the US, is when 99% assume there is a left-wing in the US. There isn't. When push comes to shove, Democrats will always move to the right (and have been since the 40s). But a few speeches, and people are fooled. Having 7 toilets in my house isn't "left" and neither is all the fuss about retwitter.
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I studied it for 5 years and ended up with a master's degree. I can say that matters of ideology and political philosophy cropped up relatively little and courses on it were never about who is "right" and who isn't but rather about the history and meaning of certain ideological strands and their offshoots. Most of my studies were on how governments and political systems are organized and interact with each other, how different voting systems work, what the explanations are for certain voting behaviour among different populations, etc.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 13:21
I'd rather say: Science is an oxymoron in itself as far as it is subdued to political agendas.
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

I'd rather say: Science is an oxymoron in itself as far as it is subdued to political agendas.


Science is, and always has been, affected by politics but science does not inherently present a contradiction in "term"; calling it an oxymoron doesn't really work. One could say the same of a great many things/ disciplines. Political/ economic, and social agendas have an effect on which research is funded, which research has been allowed, and sometimes what research has been allowed to be shared with the public (think Galileo).

Religious Science, as opposed to the science of religions, might be considered quite oxymoronic, or perhaps Supersticious Science. Or maybe Scientific Absolutism, or call it a form of Scientific Orthodoxy (scientific models should remain open to evaluation, better models may be put forth, it's an open set, it is not about certainty). Starting with a conclusion/ model, then only choosing data that fits that conclusion/ model would be anti the scientific method -- that would be intellectually dishonest, but it happens with "bad" people doing bad science. For instance, instead of starting with an observation, then inferring, you start with a conclusion then pick and choose only those observations that seem to fit the conclusion. One should be wary of biases (both our own and others), and biased data.

Anyway, I'm not a scientist, just someone interested in science. Do you work in the sciences?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 17:17
Where you end up assessing science depends very much on whether you consider science as an ideal or whether you take into account everything that happens under the science umbrella... You can say the crusades were opposed to christian ideals but they were done by christians who one would have a hard time separating from what christianity was at the time (and throughout history).  
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

I'd rather say: Science is an oxymoron in itself as far as it is subdued to political agendas.


Science is, and always has been, affected by politics but science does not inherently present a contradiction in "term"; calling it an oxymoron doesn't really work. One could say the same of a great many things/ disciplines. Political/ economic, and social agendas have an effect on which research is funded, which research has been allowed, and sometimes what research has been allowed to be shared with the public (think Galileo).

Religious Science, as opposed to the science of religions, might be considered quite oxymoronic, or perhaps Supersticious Science. Or maybe Scientific Absolutism, or call it a form of Scientific Orthodoxy (scientific models should remain open to evaluation, better models may be put forth, it's an open set, it is not about certainty). Starting with a conclusion/ model, then only choosing data that fits that conclusion/ model would be anti the scientific method -- that would be intellectually dishonest, but it happens with "bad" people doing bad science. For instance, instead of starting with an observation, then inferring, you start with a conclusion then pick and choose only those observations that seem to fit the conclusion. One should be wary of biases (both our own and others), and biased data.

Anyway, I'm not a scientist, just someone interested in science. Do you work in the sciences?
 

Both the political and the religious agendas are one of a kind. They are up to force the right piece of the jigsaw to fit in the wrong place. And some originally political issues may grow to religious proportions for some believers, which is dangerous since religion has always been a powerful manipulative force. This may lead to skolstrejk* and twisted thinking. Here in Dutchistan some politicians like Klaver Jasser and Rob Jets want us to get off the gas and get energy from biomass instead, causing us to blow more CO2 into the air to save the climate. What this will lead us to might be a subject for Second Utterance .
Scientists who are not sharp are prone to ending up as morons.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JJLehto Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2019 at 17:12
As someone who majored in it, I will say without doubt its kind of a fail for life that's for sure. 

As for the question, kinda. 
It's a social science. 
Not a hard science. 
So, no it's not
But yes, it is, kinda. 

See? This is what my degree got me! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2019 at 01:31
It's not an oxymoron, though I've met plenty of poli-sci majors that are the densest, most clueless bunch despite believing they have superior knowledge on a topic.

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