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^well said ---while I like the idea of new music---Hackett puts it out but fans still want to hear classic Genesis --Howe said he's never put more Yes out unless he felt really inspired---He has said in interviews Squire wanted to do new albums which is how Heaven and Earth happened---he was against it. I agree with Howe unless there is some amazing inspiration seems not necessary ---he does new music thru his jazzy 3 piece.
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The latest lineup is amazing and Im a big fan of all of the rearranging KC does with the back catalog.  Always want one more album but I don't think we are going to see one
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Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

Hell Hounds of Krim
Radical Action (all parts)
Meltdown
Radical Action (To Unseat the Hold of Monkey Mind)
Devil Dogs of Tessellation Row)
Suitable Grounds for the Blues
Banshee Legs Bell Hassle
Drumzilla
Drumsons

this is the NEW stuff they've been playing live only for the past 4-5 years, and it's like 40-45 minutes of material. Here's your new album


I agree with you that there is enough material for a new album, but those are mostly percussive tracks, and I personally don't feel like that would make a very strong KC album.
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I hope Fripp does at least one more tour...I missed him in Chicago the last time...,as far as studio work, I haven't really liked it as much  since Red, though there are always some nice things on the later ones...especially Thrak and Power To Believe.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I hope Fripp does at least one more tour...I missed him in Chicago the last time...,as far as studio work, I haven't really liked it as much  since Red, though there are always some nice things on the later ones...especially Thrak and Power To Believe.

That's really too bad. I was fortunately to have the opportunity to see them in both Denver and Chicago. I would guess something like 30% to 40% of repertoire of the two shows was different. The Denver show had more of the interlocking guitar parts that Fripp and Belew perfected in the 80s. It was a remarkable show of musicianship. Ultimately, however, of the two shows, I preferred the Chicago show. More visceral, while still retaining the excellent musicianship we have come to expect from this lineup. This show was simply remarkable. And, the venue, where to begin. The Auditorium Theatre is unbelievably beautiful venue at which to see the show. Visually stunning, acoustics beyond belief...
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Originally posted by ProjektGemineye1 ProjektGemineye1 wrote:

I really like this current line up. Saw them in Toronto in 2017...the famous Toronto show when Fripp walked off after their main set and refused to return for the encore due to one person taking photos with their cell phone.


I thought that was 2015 - as the Toronto Live 2015 album seems to be largely devoted to the subject - or does he just do this every time he comes to Toronto? :)
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Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

Hell Hounds of Krim
Radical Action (all parts)
Meltdown
Radical Action (To Unseat the Hold of Monkey Mind)
Devil Dogs of Tessellation Row)
Suitable Grounds for the Blues
Banshee Legs Bell Hassle
Drumzilla
Drumsons

this is the NEW stuff they've been playing live only for the past 4-5 years, and it's like 40-45 minutes of material. Here's your new album
 
it would seriouslly beat the crap of that Scarcity Of Miracle release, for sure.
i've only heard the first five in that list, though, and  I'm not sure about the last twp drim thingies.
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Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

playing a little guitar on stage for an hour and a half
You clearly have no idea how difficult touring is, even for the band of their status
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

They have such a great legacy that there is simply no need
This. I would've loved if Tool had stuck with the same attitude...and in fact many other bands too
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Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

playing a little guitar on stage for an hour and a half
You clearly have no idea how difficult touring is, even for the band of their status
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

They have such a great legacy that there is simply no need
This. I would've loved if Tool had stuck with the same attitude...and in fact many other bands too

You deleted half of my sentence and the wink. You clearly didn't get the point.
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Hi,

It doesn't matter to me if RF and KC, don't do anything original anymore ... for many years he has been embarrassed by many bands that KC had to open for to pay the bills, and now being able to do it on his own, and not have to waste time with folks that don't care about anything except their fame ... is probably a blessing in disguise for him, although many of us would wish that he would smile one more time or two during each concert, but my take on it, from an acting perspective in theater, that his concentration to ENSURE that his fingers do not make a mistake is so strong, that him sitting down and being able to keep track of things on his monitors or to work his pedals and other details in front of him is what makes him special ... and worth the listens that we still want to experience over and over again.

I look at it, as he does not owe us anything, and he should enjoy and go smell the roses and life with his wife ... for whatever time he is given to enjoy life.

When it comes to music, probably less than 1% of all the artists out there get as far as he did, and is still an active performer ... and if he decides to call it a night, and then spend some evenings just goofing around and having fun with Eno, or anyone else ... is just fine with me ... another album is just as exciting as all the other ones.
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Yeah! The dearly departed was a well known , and self acclaimed (Playboy interview) art predator.
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KC will always rule, and I'll definitely see them live when I get the chance. Fripp is a legend.

HOWVER...

I definitely feels as if he's realizing his mortality at his age, and trying to secure assets vs opportunities at this point. It only makes sense. I can't say I blame him, but I haven't been the biggest fan of him appearing to prioritize legal stuff vs new music. I get it, but I don't like it.

1969-1983ish KC all the way for me.

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

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I definitely feels as if he's realizing his mortality at his age, and trying to secure assets vs opportunities at this point. It only makes sense. I can't say I blame him, but I haven't been the biggest fan of him appearing to prioritize legal stuff vs new music. I get it, but I don't like it.
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There probably is a lot more in all this than we know ... and I really think that this might be the case of a group that has a gazillion pounds in the bank, and quietly sharing another nickel or two to someone that DB enjoyed and appreciated, should never have gotten to the news media ... but the greed involved in the folks with the gazillions, now working on new redo's of the old albums, is just something that is ... kinda ... I don't know ... I think everyone deserves a bit here and there, and if anyone deserves an extra dollar or two, it would be RF ... who has done so much for so many other folks ... in his own history ... and still ... gets trashed for it!
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A bit of personal insight....for quite a few years, Bob lost control/rights of his own music catalog with King Crimson.  It was very personally frustrating (enraging) for him, and that is why he did projects such as his "soundscapes" tours.  

Eventually, he prevailed on the legal front, and now I am certain he seeks to cement his legacy....he lost many valuable years that he could have used to refine King Crimson's catalog and write new music.   His sister Patricia tells me that he is quite happy these days.  
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

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I definitely feels as if he's realizing his mortality at his age, and trying to secure assets vs opportunities at this point. It only makes sense. I can't say I blame him, but I haven't been the biggest fan of him appearing to prioritize legal stuff vs new music. I get it, but I don't like it.
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Considering how much was stolen and others profited from it for a long time, it wasn't until something like 25 or 30 years ago that KC/RF started trying really hard to gain control of their work ... 

Yeah, it might be something in the we don't like it thinking, but in the end, they have that right and it is completely a correct thing to do.

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

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Eventually, he prevailed on the legal front, and now I am certain he seeks to cement his legacy....he lost many valuable years that he could have used to refine King Crimson's catalog and write new music.   His sister Patricia tells me that he is quite happy these days.  
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The word "refine" for me is interesting here ... I think that RF's control of things in many of those years was not complete to the point where his/their time on the studio was severely limited, and him ... NOW ... being able to do and redo some things, merely shows that he had more in him for almost everything! And was not able/allowed to use it, because time's up ... no more takes tonight and a different song tomorrow!


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I'd be perfectly fine with him touring and playing the back catalog material that we all want to hear. I doubt I would care to hear 2020 music from him in a live setting.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I'd be perfectly fine with him touring and playing the back catalog material that we all want to hear. I doubt I would care to hear 2020 music from him in a live setting.

Yeah ... that's the unknown and unknowable though ... and I think that the day he stops we are going to find an incredible catalog of material that will rival Mozart's for output and quality ... and I think that some of it is cue'd in a couple of solo albums, but I'm not sure he feels "complete" with those pieces ... or that he will be able ti finish them off, unless he stops touring so much and being away from home and his studio!

The "old" artists, never die ... you know that in almost all the arts ... and in one way, I like to say that they always will be alive for you and me ... I just don't want to be saying that I like the younger Mozart and that the last piece that he left was something that he could not finish and deliver ... but when we heard it, we ended up thinking it was the greatest of all the material he ever had! (Even if Salieri enhanced it, which might have been possible with so many bits that he heard from Mozart himself!)

That's like me saying that I would not buy your band's anything because your time is long gone ... and no one knows, least of all YOU, that your next piece is the best of them all!
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Don't forget that Fripp has always been and still is working on other stuff besides KC, he has created record after record, not to mention played on other peoples albums throughout the years.

Just take Fripp & Travis: loads of new compositions over the last 10 years. There is a limit to how much a man can do, legal stuff or no legal stuf.
  
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