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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 04:14
^ I dare to say that Vienna by Ultravox released in 1980 showcased sophistocated elements of art rock and prog, mixed with their classical/symphonic inspired new wave/post punk, operatic vocals, violin solos, and electronic music elements. Are similar to Master of Puppets andThe Colour of Spirng

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progaardvark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 06:01
Kultivator's Barndomens Stigar from 1981?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TerLJack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 07:22
This is one of the most interesting topics I've seen here recently.
Following the rules, to me it seems Ozric has their toe firmly in the Tangerine Dream/JM Jarre camp.
Echolyn reminds of Gentle Giant.
Djam Karet is different.  That's a good choice.
I also like The Colour of Spring and Ultravox choices.
Some bands that have been showing up on PA recently that I have always thought were innovators.
Oingo Boingo?
How about Drastic Plastic or Red Noise?
I haven't really thought this through much.  I just like seeing all the uniqueness and evolvement in music in the late 70s/early 80s.
I'll continue to think about it and follow this thread to see what we all come up with.  
What I now see the question as:  What happened after the prog boom waned in modern music that made me sit up and say "I have never heard something like this before."  But still holds true to basic progressive rock principals.  Whatever that is.Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote siLLy puPPy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 08:32
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I'd say Marillion, Cardiacs, Dun, Solaris, Thinking Plague, Shub-Niggurath, Twelfth Night, IQ are all contenders. It just depends who formed closes to January 1st, 1980!

Well, like I said in my original post neo prog tends to be too retro sounding. However, that didn't really apply to Twelfth Night so much so they might certainly qualify imo. 

If you're going to get that picky, almost all prog is retro sounding in some way. I would pick Cardiacs if you want OMG originality. Nobody sounded like them and nobody has since.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 12:39
I would go with Marillion or IQ, the neo prog is just a tag, very subjective IMO. Everybody sounds like everybody else or is influenced by everybody else. Big smile

But if you wanna stretch the definition of prog.......maybe Queensryche Operation Mindcrime
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Kultivator's Barndomens Stigar from 1981?

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The first album of Mother Gong's "Robot Woman" trilogy came out 1981. Most definitely a modern prog album. Their 1979 album "Fairy Tales" was still firmly old school though.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 15:28
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Saga with debut st from 1978 and Images at Twilight

You know what? Despite my no 70's rule I think this might be a good candidate. I'm open to suggestions and I try not to be narrow minded about it. Typically I just think most late seventies prog was still part of the first wave but if there was something new and fresh happening then it should be taken under consideration. 

As for my opinion about neo prog well most of it just sounds like it's retro and not totally new or different. Not being picky I just think it borrowed too much from the earlier stuff. Not all of it but it seems most did and made it rather obvious. I like how they weren't trying to hide their influences but at the same time it didn't seem like a new chapter for prog just a continuation with some mild new wave and punk influences thrown in from time to time. I'm actually by no means a neo prog hater either but for the purposes of this topic I don't feel the neo prog from the eighties qualifies for the most part.


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I just updated and modified my criteria in the first post. 

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Well now its clearly Univers Zero - 1313 or UK - s/t
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote siLLy puPPy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 16:56
^ that was 1977!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 17:41
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Well now its clearly Univers Zero - 1313 or UK - s/t

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No, no. You can't change your answer. Give someone else a chance. ;) Besides UK is very old prog sounding isn't it? With a touch of fusion? 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 18:26
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ that was 1977!

UK's first album was 78. 


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ that was 1977!

UK's first album was 78. 

1313 was 77. UK was 78 but still both are 70s!

The TRUE answer is the album that was released TODAY and yet haven't heard Wink

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 18:44
^ Well, like I said I amended my initial statement just a tad.
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

The first album of Mother Gong's "Robot Woman" trilogy came out 1981. Most definitely a modern prog album. Their 1979 album "Fairy Tales" was still firmly old school though.

Sadly, this is an album that is under represented and not heard, and I think that a lot of folks do not like some of the acting in it by Daevid Allen to help create the story for the album, which is incredible, and a very "feminist" concern, for women ... something that a lot of men are threatened with a lot more than they might care to admit!

Gilli's albums, in general, are quite with it ... and many times her words are just so strong and with it, as to make one cry ... hearing her welcome the magick brothers and mystic sisters (more than once, but never better than in one album!), and then in so many other albums, adds something to the GONG trilogy and in general to the whole commune at the time, when it seems that the women were submissive, and when they wanted their freedom, they became witches ... in the end, nothing was farther from the truth, and Gilli, bless her heart, was one at its forefront!

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When it comes to new forms of prog in the early '80s outside of the first bits of neo-prog it would have to be avant-prog... Dün, This Heat and Kultivator might be good here, and you've also got Univers Zero, Art Zoyd, Present, Etron Fou Leloublan and Aksak Maboul creating their new wave around this time even though they're a bit too early for your criteria. Thinking Plague maybe?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2019 at 03:37
I would also say that Kate Bush and Bjork are vaulble candiades of people whom were not derivative of 70s influence but still new it and incorporated art rock into their song writing. i bet that is easyer in Singer-songwriting
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2019 at 07:26
I never really thought of Bjork as prog. Kate Bush is prog related maybe imo but that's about it. I think she's crossover prog on here but I'm not sure. I suppose that fits her too.
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Saga, maybe It Bites, Toto, Talking Heads (maybe), Ozric Tentacles, 
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