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Hi,

One subtle bit of inspiration, sometimes becomes a reality ... dig this bit!

Burroughs is well known for having mixed words around in a sort of 52 pick-up (throw it all up and pick them up as they fall!), and this was taken LITERALLY in many German artistic circles, in funny ways. Peter Handke wrote a bunch of small plays that had just words, and it might have meaning or not, but acting those is hell on wheels for actors ... you don't even know if there is a "story" in the words.

We know about this process by Burroughs through several bits and pieces of Eno, Bowie and many others talking about it ... but no one ever mentions the one person that did this "literally" with music. Holger Czukay, had specified in the CAN website that TAGO MAGO was put together randomly from 20 hours of stuff. My guess is that he did the samething and threw it all up and the pieces that were selected became a part of the album! A true 52 pick-up in music, and somehow, the pieces all fit and work together very well ... which suggests that all of them came from the same set of rehearsals within the same week, or something like that.

The earlier stuff, was good, but the MM material did not exactly have as much freedom, and was more dictated by his singing and working the music. The surprising side of that is when he left, that they blew out the speakers with "Mother Sky" right away, as if it were some kind of reaction to the controlling style the music had before, which CAN went on to make sure they said, like many other German musicians at the time, that they wanted to create something that was not based on Western defined concepts for music ... but voila ... a "non-concept" used in literature and words for songs, was likely one of their inspirations.

Damo's thing, for me, has its basis in theater, as at the time, there was an incredible amount of work being done by folks doing voval gymnastics and such ... the only problem with those is that they are limited, and CAN did not stick together long enough to develop this even further ... they got bored with Damo, or vice versa. But their lyrics, as is evident in LANDED, still had a lot of Burroughs thoughts in them. They come off satirical and weird, which is the left over from "psychedelic" lyrics.

It kinda changes how literature influenced the public, and specially the arts ... at this point, I would not select a writer that was "better known" or "more famous". Bukowski is not as well liked, specially by the ladies, but his influence in the areas of theater and film, is not something to shine on ... and its hard to imagine that someone does that just because they don't care ... obviously there is something there, that we do not recognize, as there are many folks that write and discuss his work.

It's a shame that so much of the work in rock music is about FAME, and not the art itself. The art itself has a lot more riches for all of us, than we can imagine ... were we so inclined!
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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

^^Yes, you did, and I noticed (tbh don't know K. Hulme work) - my comment was to the poll list

Oh, and I named Isabel Allende too. I really loved "The House of the Spirits".

Keri Hulme's "The Bone People", her only novel so far, won the renowned Booker Prize, which is an award for the best original novel written in the English language and published in the UK, in 1985. It is a very poetic story (though also full of violence) which I enjoyed very much when I read it. Here the synopsis from Wikipedia:

The Bone People is an unusual story of love. The differences are in the way of telling, the subject matter and the form of love that the story writes on. This is in no way a romance; it is rather filled with violence, fear and twisted emotions. At the story's core, however, are three people who struggle very hard to figure out what love is and how to find it. The book is divided into two major sections, the first involving the characters interacting together, and the second half involving their individual travels.

In the first half, 7-year-old Simon shows up at the hermit Kerewin's tower on a gloomy and stormy night. Simon is mute and thus is unable to explain his motives. When Simon's adoptive father, Joe, arrives to pick him up in the morning, Kerewin gets to know their curious story. After a freak storm years earlier, Simon was found washed up on the beach with no memory and very few clues as to his identity. Despite Simon's mysterious background, Joe and his wife Hana took the boy in. Later, Joe's infant son and Hana both died, forcing Joe to bring the troubled and troublesome Simon up on his own.

Kerewin finds herself developing a relationship with the boy and his father. Gradually it becomes clear that Simon is a deeply traumatised child, whose strange behaviours Joe is unable to cope with. Kerewin discovers that, in spite of the real familial love between them, Joe is physically abusing Simon.

Following a catalyst event, the three are driven violently apart. Simon witnesses a violent death and seeks Kerewin out, but she is angry with him for stealing some of her possessions and will not listen. Simon reacts by kicking in the side of her guitar, a much prized gift from her estranged family, whereupon she tells him frostily to leave. The boy goes to the town and breaks a series of shop windows, and when he is returned home by the police, Joe beats him more viciously than he has ever done previously. Simon, who has concealed a shard of glass from his crime, stabs his father. Both are hospitalized, and Joe is sent to prison for child abuse.

In the second half of the novel, Joe returns from his prison sentence, Simon is still in the hospital, and Kerewin is seriously and inexplicably ill. Joe loses custody of his adopted son. He travels aimlessly and finds an old spiritual man dying. Through him, Joe learns the possible identity of Simon's father. Simon is sent to a children's home, and Kerewin demolishes her tower, leaving with the expectation of dying within the year. All three overcome life-changing events, webbed with Maori mythology and legend.

Eventually Kerewin takes custody of Simon, keeping him close to her and Joe. Without Kerewin's knowledge or permission, Joe contacts Kerewin's family, resulting in a joyous reconciliation. The final scene of the novel depicts the reunion of Kerewin, Simon and Joe, who are all celebrating back at the beach where Kerewin has rebuilt her home, this time in the shape of a shell with many spirals. The end of the novel, despite many things remaining in the air, is a happy one.

Keri Hulme had recently been working on two novels at the same time (she says they are twinned novels) the working titles of which are "Bait" and "On Shadowside". The latest I heard is that "Bait" is finished and supposed to be published soon, something I look very much forward to.



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^ Thanks, Friede, much appreciated your input

(I like Allende, too, but over the years got tired of the "Magic Realism" - maybe because of an overdose of GGM)
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Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

The Brontes sisters are gem

They are indeed gems, including the widely underestimated Anne. "The Tenant of Wildfell Hall" is a masterpiece and was at least hundred years ahead of the time when it was first released. They were 19th century though.


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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Stephen King? Really? If there are any 20th century horror writers that should be on the list they are H. P. Lovecraft, Gustav Meyrink, Leo Perutz and, with some reservations, Alfred Kubin, because he is mostly a graphic artist, though his only book, "Die andere Seite" (The Other Side"), is a real masterpiece.

But King? He unfortunately has the tendency to completely ruin what starts as an excellent book on the last 20-30 pages. Take his "Needful Things", for example. Why did he have to end it in a massacre? It completely ruined the whole book.
 

King can write, but his problem is he can never resist the urge to meander. I think his best works lie in his novellas, like "The Mist" and "1922." In the case of the latter, he admitted Frank Darabont's revised ending for the film was better, and while "1922" ended with a whimper, everything that preceded it was delightful.

H.P. — yes, absolutely. My journey with him began with The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath. Perhaps for sentimental reasons, it remains my favorite. 

And while I'm jazzed that Jorge Luis Borges is in this poll, I'm equally dismayed the great Robert E. Howard is not.
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Raymond Carver, Alice Munro ... ?
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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Raymond Carver, Alice Munro ... ?

Raymond Carver is great but a short-story writer, not a novelist.

but what about Alfred Döblin (Berlin Alexanderplatz), Patricia Highsmith (The Talented Mr. Ripley), Irmtraud Morgner (Leben und Abenteuer der Trobadora Beatriz nach Zeugnissen ihrer Spielfrau Laura English title The Life and Adventures of Trobadora Beatrice as Chronicled by Her Minstrel Laura), Christa Wolf (Kassandra) or Stefan Heym (The King David Report; Heym, though a German author, also wrote in English)?


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Bukowski, despite being a real assh*le .


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oh, and how could I forget Virginia Woolf (Orlando)? and why has no-one mentioned her so far?


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note that I added 4 women and 2 men. some gender balance is definitely necessary


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Mary Shelley ?
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Mary Shelley ?

Mary Shelley is not 20th century


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Oh, yeah .

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How about Elmore Leonard? He's somethin.'
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Gore Vidal, Bruce Chatwin... ?
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Charles Dickens is perhaps the most famous author of this era and influentual.
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Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Charles Dickens is perhaps the most famous author of this era and influentual.

Charles Dickens is 19th century, not 20th.


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Mary Shelley ?

Mary Shelley is not 20th century

I'll cheat ... ANNE RICE.

I find her erotic stuff much better than the regular novels that sometimes tend to go around the block to say something. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2018 at 07:33
I'd be lying if I said I was familiar.. as it reading... many of these authors.  While highly educated I do love to the play the knuckle dragging grunt card and with this high brow literature sh*t I can honestly play it.

I spent my college days drinking, getting stoned, playing in babes and booze bands, and making the dean's list in the hard sciences not reading books... and any reading I do and have pretty much always done is history or Sci-Fi


Of those I have read though Faulkner...
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Glad to see quite a few non-English-language writers in this list, in spite of some glaring omissions. Besides Italo Calvino, I would have mentioned at least Luigi Pirandello (maybe known better for his plays, but an outstanding author of fiction as well), Cesare Pavese and Umberto Eco, though Italy had quite a few 20th-century novelists that are well worth exploring. On the other hand, since Calvino already had one vote, I voted for Thomas Mann, who has long been one of my favourite 20th-century authors. And then, of course, there's J.R.R. Tolkien, who - like HP Lovecraft - is still not considered "real" literatureConfused by far too many people.

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

H.P. — yes, absolutely. My journey with him began with The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath. Perhaps for sentimental reasons, it remains my favorite. 


I agree with you 100% on Kadath - truly a wonderful read. "The Call of Chthulhu" is another personal favourite from HP - a masterpiece of suspense.


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