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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2004 at 19:25

I probably should have listed what I already have first.  I bought these after researching them on this site.

Okay, this is the beginning of my Prog collection:

Can - Tago Mago

Yes - Fragile

Yes - Close To The Edge (On order from Amazon.com)

Genesis - Foxtrot

Genesis - Selling England By The Pound

Genesis - A Trick Of The Tail

King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King

King Crimson - Red

King Crimson - Discipline

Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick

Jethro Tull - Aqualung

Jethro Tull - Passion Play (On order from Amazon.com)

Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon

Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here

Return To Forever - Romantic Warrior (On order from Amazon.com)

Regarding my criticism of Neal Morse and Spock's Beard - Kindness To Strangers... I just felt his voice was out of it's depth against the music. The music is too big for the voice... something like that...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2004 at 23:05

 

HI, THIS IS CÉSAR INCA.

You might as well expand your collection by purchasing some Camel classics ('Mirage', 'The Snow Goose', 'Moon Madness'), Facous classics ('Moving Waves', 'Focus III', 'Hamburger Concerto'), and ELP classics (any of their first five). If you want some hard rocking prog stuff, try Kansas (any of their first six, including their live 'Two for the Show'); or if you eant some symph with a jazzy twistm you might try the wonderful Happy the Man (self titled, 'Crafty Hands').

If you were awesome impressed by King Crimson's 'red', you might try their other two 73-74 era recordings: 'Larks' Tongues in Aspic' and 'Starless and Bible Black'.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2004 at 04:20

I was new to Prog too up until about 4 years ago. Then we joined the Classic Rock Society and I began to realise that prog was not all meandering strange sounds!!!

I still prefer the more melodic structured kind of prog with maybe a bit of rock thrown in for good measure.

These are my favourite bands here in the UK, we have seen all of them live at some stage. I think it's important to appreciate the wonderful musicians there are still out there today struggling to get their music out to people who will listen. Most of them are lovely people who love to play live and talk to their fans after the show.

Greenslade- www.greenslademusic.com They have been going for about 30 years and still play occasionally in the UK and sometimes overseas. Very keyboard orientated but amazing to see live. John Young joined them about 4 years ago and has added an up to date sound.

Jadis www.jadis-net.co.uk Lovely laid back prog, wonderful musicians and they've just played the Rosfest over in the States

Strangefish www.strangefish.co.uk Great enthusiastic band recently voted best new band by the Classic Rock Society here in the UK.

Mostly Autumn www.mostly-autumn.com Pink Floyd influenced but with folky elements, this band are really making a name for themselves over here.

Manning www.guymanning.com The band of very occomplished singer/songwriter, Guy Manning. Wonderfully strucutred and uplifting, prog at it's best in my opinion!!

John Young Band www.youngjohn.co.uk My favourite band (as you will all be discovering) JY, as he likes to be know, creates lovely layers in his music, he is a very talened and versitilie keyboard player/ singer/songwriter. He has chosen a band made up from former FISH members, Dave Stewart (drummer) Robin Boult (guitar) and Steve Vantsis (Bass)  they sound amazing live!!

Well there are lots more but I think that's enough for you to be going on with.

I see you've already discovered Karnataka and Tr3nity, I can also recommend these bands for their talent and musicianship.

Lynn  

John Young is making a difference!! www.youngjohn.co.uk
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2004 at 16:41

I would suggest some non-english speaking prog bands. 

Some essential italian prog albums : 

-Le Orme : "Collage" (1971), "Uomo di pezza" (1972), "Felona e Sorona" (1973), "Contrapunti" (1974), "Florian" (1979), "Il fiume" (1996), "Elementi" (2001). All these albums are gems and pure beauty. I think Le Orme is the best italian prog band. They return to form with "Il fiume" and still play top-notch music.

-Banco (del mutuo soccorso) : "Io sono nato libero" (1973)

-PFM (Premiata Forneria Marconi) : "Per un amico" (1972).

-Locanda delle fate : "Forse le lucciole non si amano piu" (1978)

-Museo Rosenbach : "Zarathustra"

-Metamorfosi : "Inferno" (1974)

One essential chilean prog album :

Los Jaivas : "Alturas de Macchu Picchu" (1981), a beautiful mix of symphonic prog with traditional folk.

One essential spanish prog album :

TRIANA : "El patio" (1974)

Some polish artists (who should be added to the progarchives files) :

-Czeslaw Niemen : "Enigmatic" (proto-prog) or with his prog band "Aerolit"

-Marek Grechuta : "Magia oblokow" (see the album cover in my signature)

The greatest brazilian prog band with the late phenomenal violinist/keyboardist/vocalist Marcus Viana :

Sagrado Coraçao da Terra : "Sagrado" (1986), "Farol da libertade" (1991), "Espiritu" (1994). Evident influences include Marillion (circa "Misplaced childhood") and Yes (circa "Close to the edge") plus traditional brazilian folk.

And among the english-speaking prog bands check out :

Ambrosia : "Ambrosia" and "Somewhere I've never traveled" (fantastic vocals by David Pack and Joe Puerta with not less fantastic music)

"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2004 at 19:24

Can - Tago Mago: If you liked this, go for Future Days and Ege Bamysai, as they are the two Can albums that most resemble that psychadelic sound.

Yes - Fragile,Yes - Close To The Edge: If you liked these, go for Relayer and The Yes Album.  If you still are interested in the band after those, check out Tales From Topographic Oceans, but make sure to save it for later, as it could easily scare you away if you aren't already a fan.

Genesis - Foxtrot, Genesis - Selling England By The Pound, Genesis - A Trick Of The Tail: I'm no expert on Genesis, but if you liked A Trick of the Tail, go for Wind and Wuthering.

King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King. King Crimson - Red, King Crimson - Discipline: If you liked Court, get In The Wake of Poseidon.  If you liked Red, get Larks' Tongues In Apsic.  If you liked Discipline, get Beat or Three of a Perfect Pair.

Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick, Jethro Tull - Aqualung, Jethro Tull - Passion Play: You've got the JT essencials covered, but check out Minstrel In the Gallery and Songs From the Wood if you want to hear more.

Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon, Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here: Animals and The Wall are absolutely essencial, and if you like those go for Atom Heart Mother, Meddle, Obscured By Clouds and The Division Bell.  PF is an amazing band, and you should be sure to check out more from them.

Other bands I would look into are Marillion, who sound quite a bit like Genesis, Van Der Graaf Generator, who I'm personally not a big fan of but who you have to hear, Frank Zappa, who is quite simply a genius, and Hawkwind, who are like a more rocking version of Pink Floyd.  I'd also look into some Emerson Lake & Palmer, although if their overwhelmingly pompous approach to music scares you off, don't let it prevent you from exploring the wonderful world of prog rock.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 08:20
Hawkwind is not just a more rocking version of Pink Floyd... They are much less experimental... I think there SOUND is somewhere between Pink Floy and Motörhead...  REALLY!  It's pretty cool, actually, but also a little noisy...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 12:32

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Hawkwind is not just a more rocking version of Pink Floyd... They are much less experimental... I think there SOUND is somewhere between Pink Floy and Motörhead...  REALLY!  It's pretty cool, actually, but also a little noisy...

The reason for the Motorhead link is, of course Lemmy, who played bass for Hawkwind for a while before getting nicked for speeding - and I don't mean driving (necessarily...).

Ian Kilmister got his nickname because he was addicted to fruit machines, and kept asking his mates to "Lemmy" a fiver (UK Five pound note). He is also the son of a vicar. Odd but true

Hawkwind are/were a great band (depending on which "era" you're into). I would recommend "Warrior on the Edge of Time", "Levitation" or "Sonic Attack" as great starter albums.

If you like Hawkwind and Motorhead, you might also like the Pink Fairies. "Kings of Oblivion" is a work of twisted, amphetamine-drenched, chrome-plated art! The Fairies and Hawkwind once did a gig together that they entitled "Pink Wind". Interesting - huh?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 12:56
Hi! Im new to this forum but I have been on this site a lot of times so hello. But of course as always I am to late and every one has left.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 12:59
 Hola< Welcome aboard!!! 5-minute solo? Any one solo in particular?





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 12:59
You should check out Coheed and Cambria. They're a bit pop-punk but if that doesn't bother you then check out there new album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 13:33
Rick Wakeman's solo on Close To The Edge must be about 5 minutes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 13:36
I really can't time things to well because just as someone tries to talk to me I have to have my dinner. Life is so unforgiving.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 13:38

It's quiet... to quiet.

Lets put on some Leo Sayer and get this party swinging!

No! Thats just what they would expect us to do!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 13:40
As always Im talking to myself!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 13:58
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Moonchild74:

First, welcome to the craziest, but most wonderful, prog site on the Net.  You'll get to know our "regulars" (or is that "irregulars?"...) pretty quickly.  Most of them are harmless (their barque is worse than their byte...), and, as the saying goes, "opinions are like noses - everybody has one."

That said, you seem to be in the right direction as a "newbie."  Historically, the eight "seminal" prog bands - those who are generally accepted as the true forerunners of the genre - are the following, along with what are generally accepted as their best albums (some of which you've heard), so this becomes a really good starting point:

King Crimson: Court, Larks Tongues, Starless, Red

Pink Floyd: Piper, Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, DSOTM, WYWH, The Wall

Moody Blues: A Question of Balance, Threshold of a Dream

Genesis: Foxtrot, Selling England, The Lamb, Trick of the Tail, Wind & Wuthering

Gentle Giant: Three Friends, In A Glass House, Octopus, Power & The Glory

Yes: Time and a Word, The Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge, Tales

Jethro Tull: Thick as a Brick, Minstrel in the Gallery

ELP: ELP, Trilogy, Brain Salad Surgery

Another early group was Van Der Graaf Generator.  Their albums "H to He" and "Pawn Hearts" are usually considered their best.

And, of course, Frank Zappa is an early progenitor of prog, and almost anything he did (and he did about 648,000 albums...) is worth getting.

Among the "neo-prog" bands, I like Marillion best (particularly Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Brave), along with Anglagard, IQ, Dream Theater (try Metropolis) Spock's Beard (try The Light; you may have simply picked a bad album), and a few others.

One album you must pick up is the first album by U.K. called simply "U.K."  It features Bill Bruford (Crimson, Yes) on drums, John Wetton (Crimson) on bass, Eddie Jobson on keyboards, and the amazing Allan Holdsworth on guitar.

I agree with Fitzcarraldo that you should also consider the Italian prog scene, as it is arguably the most active (and influential) after England.  My faves include Deus ex Machina (any album), PFM, Il Balletto di Bronzo, Alusa Fallax, and Museo Rosenbach.

Ultimately, as Danbo the Manbo suggests, this site may be hazardous to your financial health: all of us, I'm sure, have spent hundreds of dollars on CDs since joining - with no end in sight!!   Maybe you should put your money "in trust" and have your wife (or whomever) co-sign when you want to buy CDs!!

Anyway, enjoy the site, and take full advantage of it: we expect to see some reviews from you soon!

Peace.

Maani I agree with your selections with the exception of Three Friends by Gentle Giant which I beileve i s their worst offering. Even Giant For A Day and Civilian are better than that album. The theme is just ,well, stupid. However I prefer the British cover. Why was the North American cover identical to their first release. I f you could explain this to me I would appreciate it .

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 16:08
Now if I had stayed another 18 minutes then I wouldn't be this lonely gibbering wreck with nothing but a tea cosie and a tea stained sofa to his name. Actually the tea cosie isn't mine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 17:25

I don't know if anyone's mentioned these yet, I haven't read all the posts, but I'll add a few

Marillion up to Fish's leaving, that's the first... 4? albums, this being a BIT like genesis,

Anglagard, if you can find them, this sounding something like a modern version of King Crimson, with some very nice flute,

Mostly Autumn, very accessible, very folky in places,

Spock's Beard's "Snow" album. I don't know if you'll like this if you don't like the Kindness to Strangers album, because I haven't heard that one,

regarding the Flower Kings, they're a more retro styled band than a lot of the more popular around today, I don't like them all that much, but they're a worthwhile diversion

That would be quite a nice start.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 18:23
Originally posted by Aquarius Aquarius wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

IQ - Tales From The Lush Attic (great eightes symphonic prog album,influenced by Genesis)

 

Tales from the lush attic is rather good, but the sound is awful. It's an 80s album that sounds like a demo. It was of course released on some independant label and probably a very low budget production. But the music is good.

I can get past the sub standard production quite easily as the music is so good!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 19:08

 

I have to say, it is a wonderful world we live in that someone, ANYONE can be 'new to prog'. I am an old bastard and grew up with this music. I fell in love with it before it even had the 'progressive' label. I have had the pleasure of living through the 'Golden Age' and having the opportunity of experiencing Yes, Genesis, ELP, Pink Floyd and others performing their art live on numerous occasions. I have exposed everyone I know (that would allow it) to the wonder that is progressive music and, until recently, I had pretty much given up on finding others who shared my appreciation for this unique and beautiful art form.

 

Moonchild, I envy you. There is a brave new world of music just waiting for you to discover...wonderful, amazing musicc that many people have no knowledge of or experience with. However, as you make your discoveries, follow the example of others here and share them with others. The fraternity of the lovers of progressive music is a exclusive, and slightly twisted, bunch...but they are always happy to add new members.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2004 at 19:14

VB:

Re Three Friends, "one man's meat is another man's poison."  I'm not sure what your "bad experience" with this album was, but I can't believe you would put it below GFAD (!) or even Civilian (which I do like).

Re the cover, that's easy: like many debut albums by bands outside the U.S.(especially "prog"), the first Gentle Giant album didn't appear in the U.S. until after Octopus.  Thus, we never saw the cover of the first album until Three Friends had been released.  So the U.S. release of Three Friends simply "lifted" the cover of the first album.

Given time, I could probably come up with at least four or five more examples of this happening during that period.

Peace.

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