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SteveG
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 11:50 |
The greatest psychedelic rock album of the sixties: The Moody Blues: Days of Future Passed 1967. I've come to expect the mainstream notion (or the selective memories of older folk) that Psychedelic rock in the nineteen sixties was solely defined by the albums Sgt. Pepper's and Are You Experienced in the U.S., or Sgt. Pepper's and Piper Gates The Gates of Dawn in the U.K. Occasionally, someone will throw a nod to Donovan for his hits Sunshine Superman and Mellow Yellow. However, from my personal experience, these were the albums you wanted to play first at any informal party or more formal Freak In (Zappa killed the term Freak Out) in the States in 1968. Others thrown in the mix would be Tommy by The Who, In-a-godda-da-vidda by Iron Butterfly and Surrealistic Pillow By the Jefferson Airplane, along with many others. But the album that would always wind up such gatherings as the grand finale and closer went exclusively to the Moody Blues orchestral epic Days Of Future Passed. With it's dramatic symphonic opening, the incredible spoken word poem written by drummer Graham Edge and eloquently conveyed by keyboardist Mike Pinder, you were off on a journey through the events and the passing hours of a day. Although heavily orchestrated, it was Pinder's eerie and icy sounding Mellotron that supported the songs melodically until the album climaxed with the double barreled grand finale of Nights in White Satin which by it's end would be transform via an additional orchestral bridge into Edge's final spoken word poem The Night. You felt chills as Pinder began to speak: "Cold hearted orb which rules the night..." that concludes with coup de gras of two orchestral crescendos that are finally silenced by a fading crash of a gong. Many people enjoyed the magic of listening to proceeding albums like Are You Experienced with Puple Haze referencing an acid high or the studio trickery of Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's, but these were clearly Psychedelic tricks performed by musical magicians. Days of Future Passed was not such an exercise. It was brilliant experimental but organically conceived work of art, and as such, it stood out hands and feet above everything else until the Beatles created Abbey Road which would take it's place as the 'show closer' in 1969. It's funny how Abbey Road was also solely created to be a musical work of art instead of a psychedelic album. Incidentally, an album called In The Court of the Crimson King would often be the new party opener in 1969. An album that owes a great debt to Days of Future Past, as would later albums such as 1973's Ashes Are Burning from Renaissance. So to me, Days Of Future Past will always remain the greatest Psychedelic Rock album ever made. Something that will always strike me as ironic, because unlike following Moody Blues albums that are chuck full of sitar and period studio effects, DOFP was never meant to be one.
Edited by SteveG - February 23 2015 at 12:27
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Kayleur
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 12:10 |
Steve: are you being for real in declaring DOFP as the greatest psychedelic lp ever made?
I ask, because back on page 14 you were calling Dark Side of Moon psychedelic but - having fooled some three subsequent posters - later called your own post a satire.
Is your current Moody Blues psychedelic stance a legpull or true contention?
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SteveG
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 12:17 |
^No satire here. The above post is truly how I feel about Days Of Future Past.
Edited by SteveG - February 23 2015 at 15:23
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Kayleur
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 13:10 |
Have to disagree then. Tis poprock strung together with narration & classical. Important thing is that we both agree it is superb.
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SteveG
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 14:21 |
^For some obscure reason that came as no big surprise, however I'll take it on faith that you're as well versed with sixties counter culture behavior (like cool-aid acid tests) and it's resultant popular music trends as I am. But just in case your really not, I'll post this except from a PA album review: "1967 was a watershed moment in pop music, as the broad horizons of the post-Pet Sounds landscape beckoned to bands like THE BEATLES, THE MOODY BLUES, PINK FLOYD, THE ROLLING STONES and many others. Each went off in their own directions, PINK FLOYD in pursuit of the ultimate sonic acid splash, THE BEATLES to perfect Britpop in the studio, and THE MOODIES to make a classical pop record. (THE STONES, for their part, tripped and took a noisy tumble down the hill.) While some of the original gilding still shines on "Days of Future Passed", the psychedelic precocity of its intent has left a patina that obscures some of the fine handiwork involved in its painstaking fabrication." And there's more where that came from if you care to take a look.
Edited by SteveG - February 23 2015 at 15:04
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Kayleur
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 15:38 |
Steve: you make that claim here and most will agree with you because they have muddled a vague concept of psychedelic with popsike. But I dare you to try to pull this line on a TRUE psych forum like Kiloh's, or Midwest or Psychedelica (where the man WHO WROTE THE BOOK posted often before he passed on). You will be laughed out of those forums.
You quote me a PA review as if that accounts for something.
Sure, put the words Days Of Future Passed in Wiki and EVERY article will say "psychedelic". That means NOTHING.Entire masses swallow misrepresentation all the time.
What we have here is poprock & ballads ...and classical. You might argue protoprog, but not psych. This is baroque rock pulling itself out of the primordeal R&Bs/Brit Invasion muck, moving towards prog.
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SteveG
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 15:55 |
^I'm stating my own personal experiences with the counter culture and it's view of popular music, and I could really care less what a "true" psych forum like Kiloh states or thinks. If you are of my mind set, then stick around. If not, then what's the sense? Just move on.
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dr wu23
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 15:59 |
There are certainly some 'trippy' things on the album including the cover art. An outgrowth from Iron Butterfly probably. The first Captain Beyond reminded me at times of Steppenwolf...a band I also liked and who were trippy at times also.
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dr wu23
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 16:28 |
An interesting link showing what was released in '67
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Kayleur
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 16:40 |
Well Dr Wu, Days Of Future Passed also has been remarked as having a very trippy coverart - yet its not psych.
.... Steve: Romantic-era orchestration is the polar opposite of psych. Bring in the orchestra and you have instant division. Is "Conquistador" psych? Is the epic Van Dyke Parks' "Song Cycle" ('68) psychedelic? Is Neon Philharmonic? No, because classical EATS UP psych. (Whereas it cuddles up to prog.)
Sure, you have things like (the first rock opera) November 1967's Electric Prunes "Mass In F Minor" * but here (as is the case with Deep Purple Albert Hall lp) the orchestra is in battle/ at odds with the rock. From this early period you could easily reference "5 Bridges" The Nice as well.
It has been remarked more than once how with Moodies DOFP -although the meld between two pop songs that consitute The Dusk section is perfect/nigh seamless - the beat rock and balladry just doesn't fit proper against the classical. There is a divide.
*Offenbach "St Chrone de Neant" comes to mind as well, but as memory serves that one did not have a battling orchestra.
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 17:08 |
I just discovered Tame Impala the other day and I'm hooked. The spacey vibe with the Lennon-esque vocals just blends perfectly. I'll have to pick up both of their albums before my trip to Europe next week.
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Kayleur
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 17:20 |
Having mentioned the power of media representation, of the opinion-makers; I would like to go off on a little bitch, or tangent at this juncture.
It always got my goat how on most prog forums The Moody Blues are given distinct short shrift/ indifference when compared to other prog cornerstone bands. Prog magazines as well disregard the importance of this group. (Expose et all)
The trouble is that people do not want to question the inadvertence of self-appointed media savants. And herein I hurl my wrath at one Lester Bangs just as he , the highpriest pundit ,hurled (along with, I suppose John Peel) savage bile on Genesis, and ELP. Bangs also savaged The Moodies, yet THIS the hoi polloi on the various prog forums all tend to agree with.
Why are the Moodies generally ignored, even disliked amonst us progladytes?
Is it because they were commercially successful? (Well, so were Genesis.) Is it because they continued churning poo after their seventh release? (So did Genesis).
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 17:36 |
^ Since when did Peel savage Genesis and ELP? He was always one to hold up and play all sorts of music, and he started with psych and prog.
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Kayleur
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 17:46 |
Okay,I am probably wrong about Peel and Genesis, but I thought he always hated ELP...or have my wires crossed somewhere??
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 17:50 |
^ Hmmm, just found evidence that he did think ELP a waste. I guess they were just that bonkers.
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SteveG
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 18:30 |
Kayleur wrote:
Why are the Moodies generally ignored, even disliked amonst us progladytes?
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If I had to guess, it's probably due the same reasons that cause them too be ignored by psychladytes.
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SteveG
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 18:53 |
Kayleur wrote:
Well Dr Wu, Days Of Future Passed also has been remarked as having a very trippy coverart - yet its not psych.
.... Steve: Romantic-era orchestration is the polar opposite of psych. Bring in the orchestra and you have instant division. Is "Conquistador" psych? Is the epic Van Dyke Parks' "Song Cycle" ('68) psychedelic? Is Neon Philharmonic? No, because classical EATS UP psych. (Whereas it cuddles up to prog.)
Sure, you have things like (the first rock opera) November 1967's Electric Prunes "Mass In F Minor" * but here (as is the case with Deep Purple Albert Hall lp) the orchestra is in battle/ at odds with the rock. From this early period you could easily reference "5 Bridges" The Nice as well.
It has been remarked more than once how with Moodies DOFP -although the meld between two pop songs that consitute The Dusk section is perfect/nigh seamless - the beat rock and balladry just doesn't fit proper against the classical. There is a divide.
*Offenbach "St Chrone de Neant" comes to mind as well, but as memory serves that one did not have a battling orchestra.
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I don't really have time to teach Psych Rock 101 but I'll give you a brief rundown on it's development in 1967. As no template yet existed for what construed, what we some 50 years later refer to as Psychedelic Rock, it was normal practice to include albums that were deemed psychedelic by adoption or by proxy. In other words, aside from what the Beatles would define as psychedelic rock, albums that naturally fell into acid Freak Outs/Ins such as Days Of Future Passed were adopted into the 1967 Psychedelic Rock canon. After December 31st 0f 1967, Psychedelic Rock was basically defined as having standard model, tonal and harmonic qualities with non standard song structures, along with an array of non musical identifiers such as studio tape effects and signal processing. So, I'll reiterate. Days of Future Passed is, has and will always be a Psychedelic Rock album. And as I tried so hard to convey my post, in it's final sentence, it was not by design. As for the silly rant on how classical trumps psych, etc., that is of your own opinion and has no place in this discussion, so I will not comment on it. This is why I have no use for what you deem as 'true' Psych forums because they have failed to inform you of these basics. If you pick up a basic text book on Psych Rock I think you'll fare 40-50% much better. Live long and prosper. Nan Nu, Nan Nu. Now, I think it's time for another spin of this Psych rock classic.
Edited by SteveG - February 23 2015 at 19:06
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Kayleur
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Posted: February 23 2015 at 20:34 |
Yeah, you are correct. Days Of Future Passed is one long acid freak-out.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: February 24 2015 at 07:38 |
SteveG wrote:
So to me, Days Of Future Past will always remain the greatest Psychedelic Rock album ever made. Something that will always strike me as ironic, because unlike following Moody Blues albums that are chuck full of sitar and period studio effects, DOFP was never meant to be one.
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DoFP never struck me as a psychedelic album. It still doesn't. I love the album, and I think it's one of the greatest releases of the 60s, but it isn't very psychedelic at all. I will say that "Nights in White Satin" has helped me get laid more than all other songs combined, whether stoned or not.
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Kayleur
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Posted: February 24 2015 at 08:17 |
You are incorrect, little elf. It IS full-tilt, nipples erect & thrust forward PSYCHEDELIC!
Goddammit! What are you trying to do here? You PRESUME to trespass on Steve's province????
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