The American Politics Thread

As European I'd say that if this is the treatment that allied have to expect from US, dealing with China is really better. 

 

"I wouldn't vote for Trump. He's not my politics. I've always said that. I just predicted he was going to win. I mainly predicted it because all of my liberal friends, and I consider myself a liberal, spent all their time howling at me about how he's obviously going to lose and Hillary was the anointed one and I kept saying you haven't been to middle America have you. You've no idea what you're talking about! Have you been to Florida? Have you been to Texas? Have you been to Alabama? Do you know what they think and care about this? Do you know what they think about Trump? They haven't got a clue. And also, I wasn't taken in by the Obama years, in the way that my liberal friends were taken in. You know, if I say to my liberal friends how many illegal immigrants did Barack Obama deport in eight years, they'll look at me and go "Sorry?" Come on, it's a statistical fact. How many illegal immigrants did Barack Obama deport in eight years? And the answer is three million. The greatest record of deportations in the history of the United States! Nobody knows that. Nobody cared. Nobody was ranting about that or protesting. My liberal friends didn't care. They didn't care that he campaigned in 08/09 to shut down Guantanamo Bay, which was an illegal torture chamber and it's still open now. They didn't care that he would go after every mass shooting and put his arm around the victims and tell them "I'm going to get something done" and then just gave up and in his second to last State of the Union Address, never mentioned the word "gun" once. He gave two paragraphs to Ebola, which had killed two people. 32,000 people died that year from guns in America. You know, I could take drone strikes and bombs dropped. Obama dropped 21,000 bombs in his last year. All-time American record. No liberals cared! He was Saint Barack! And now we have the Devil Trump! And I say, neither is actually what the general populace perceive them to be. I don't think Obama was that great, and I don't think Trump is as bad as liberals make him out to be, and in fact, the over-demonization of someone like Trump fuels and helps him. It rallies his base, it increases his support, and it makes it look like it's all personal, and people just hate him. And that's fine, but that's not going to beat him. You know, right now, I would lay even money Trump's going to get re-elected, and the liberal world will not understand why."

 

"The way to combat Trump is not to howl at him all day long and tell him what a monster he is. That helps him! The same with Brexit here - you demonize the Brexit supporters, you tell them they're idiots and racists and buffoons and so on, just makes them stronger. If there was another referendum tomorrow, "Leave" would win by a mile. No liberals believe me. But watch. Just watch. The fury if Brexit doesn't get implemented will know no bounds, and they will come out in vast numbers. And no one can tell me seventeen and a half million people are stupid racist idiots. They're not. They're actually British people entitled to their view, but liberals have become so self-righteous! They don't just think they're right, they know they're right! And everybody else is not just wrong, they must be eliminated! Cancelled! Destroyed! Finished! Buried! Vilified! Told how stupid they are! Okay. Well, see how that goes. See how it goes in 2020,  because I don't see a candidate yet that can beat Trump. He's out there every week, doing his rallies. So I say to liberals, look, I can explain Trump to you, and I can warn you about him, but I can't tell you how to run a campaign against him. Except the current strategy is not going to work! It ain't gonna work! Stop the over-demonization. Stop exploding with rage every time he breaks wind, or cracks an obvious joke, or whatever it may be, and just calm down and work out how to beat him, otherwise you're facing five more years, and I don't think liberals can handle it! I think they're literally going to see their spleens erupting in a global explosion, which will make the apocalypse seem like a tea party!"

 

When it comes to egomania, Gene Simmons of Kiss deserves an award for having possibly the biggest ego of all.

 

The fact that you and others refer to the republican party/the right/Trump as nazis, while unironically worshipping communist and socialist talking heads as their opposition - is a staggering, hilariously tragic display of intellectual ineptitude regarding basic philosophical premises which form the foundation of rational political discourse - and also explains why the majority of rational, voting adults will keep quietly voting Trump, and precisely why he's going to be your president for another 4 years come 2020.

Should it happen, I think we'll be making business with China and Russia in the next four years. US have badly betrayed allies (Kurds) , imposed taxes on imports to allies (European Union), so why should we still be allied?

But Trump DID say the people who stood by and cheered as Neo Nazis chanted, "Jews won't replace us" are "very fine people".  He also asked US citizens and Congresswomen to "go back to their countries".  Maybe YOU should stop rationalising THAT before you expect others to vote rationally or lampoon them for not doing so.