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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Why not now? Too cheesey? There's modern prog that has spoken word in it you know. I will admit that on Lumpy Gravy the spoken word stuff sounded very random and didn't seem to have any purpose.
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richardh
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It's just bland and boring from what I remember. Perhaps could be called 'wallpaper prog' or 'elevator prog'. I guess there is a lot that comes under this category. Is it badly played? I don't think so.
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Awesoreno
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Me. Although I prefer most of the non-original tracks in other contexts.
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Zappastolethetowels
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I prefer Thing Fish to Jazz From Hell... Yes I said it - I struggle with his synclavier oriented work I also agree that Lumpy Gravy has not aged well, mainly because only 40% of it is musical
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Zappastolethetowels
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This Nothing on here is terrible, only some mediocrity. Again, this was intended to be a dystopian Broadway stage act laced with dirty wit and satire, so it may help to treat it as a separate work of art, irrespective of whether you like this stuff or not.
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moshkito
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Hi,
I'm guessing that no one has heard The GTO's. I keep thinking that sometimes, crap will remain crap ... even when colored funny! PS: I think the album is a rarity and not suited for the toob, unless it is censored in parts. But a lot of the stuff in it is very boring and I think that the really meaty and strong stuff was taken out so the album could be heard, instead of immediately dumped. The problem was that making the stuff here something like R rated instead of the X it should have to give it some validity ... ends up making the album ... rather boring, and the women/girls looking just plain boring and silly. PS2: And there are some bio's out there that are really strong and way better, and some are down right pornographic, a feeling that you would expect from some of these women, instead of what we got in the GTO's.
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Jacob Schoolcraft
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Oddly I recall being age 14 or 15 , (early 70s) and collecting everything I could find released on Zappa's first label. He signed several people who were defined as Outsider Music.Captain Beefheart, GTO's, Wild Man Fischer, Lord Buckley came across in a manner which involved more than just the tip of thee iceberg insanity. Even Alice Cooper Pretties For You was off beat? I'm not a fan of his music..but I do think that Pretties For You is odd for Alice Cooper and is somewhat more representative of Syd Barrett ( earlyFloyd), than anything else circulating then. In some cases these particular artists which Zappa promoted ( in his own way) had to be dealt with by Mr. Zappa himself...especially when they got heated up . For example..Wild Man Fischer throwing a bottle ( I believe?) and missing Moon Unit's head by an inch or two...and Zappa telling him to hit the road for good... The drama was on going. For example the living conditions that Captain Beefheart subjected his band members to were a bit like the gnostics living in the desert and he punished his band mates like a cult leader. It seemed to me that Zappa was a good parent and a conservative even though much of his music would suggest that he was a nut..it was in fact the people around him who truly displayed actions of being an ideal candidate for psychiatric treatment. Roy Estrada unfortunately turned out to be a pedophile and Jim Gordon ( drums on Apostrophe and Imaginary Diseases) chopped his mother into little pieces...and all because he heard voices instructing him to do it. Some of the people Zappa signed or hired could have easily been institutionalized and simply based on how their actions /behavior was telling and revealing how dangerous they could be to innocent people around them...bystanders...Zappa was probably the only musician in Rock Music to have hired quite a few of them and witnessed real life experiences that were perhaps too over the top and insane for him. Not artists theatrically playing that role but instead the real thing. Ed Sanders who was signed to Warner Brothers came across with that certain Outsider Music vibe however not completely insane like some of the artists on Bizzare Records. |
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Starshiper
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1981 double album "You Are What You Is" comes to mind immediately; it embodies Frank Zappa's then-new 80s philosophy, which, regrettably, will follow him throughout the rest of his career. It's not as complicated as it sounds—"You Are What You Is" is just another boring pop-rock record with an "artistic" feel and forced and long outdated Frank's jokes.
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Sean Trane
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I did read Pan Desbarres's book, though... and it drive me to listen to GTO on Yoot, and whatever I found was of no interest whatsoever... Nott that her book held much interest, but it was a pleasant read, though I would've liked more crusty details. Not sure Gail would've appreciated, when one knows that her house was invaded by too many groupies to her tastes. It sounds like 70's Valley Girls babble (hint to Moon Unitt's world exposure with daddy). .
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Zappastolethetowels
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I say it started with Sheik; Boring: not for me, but can be for some I suppose... Artistic: sure... Forced: NO... Outdated: yes with the jokes, not with the music.
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Grumpyprogfan
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presdoug
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I know for certain the worst album I have ever heard is Charles Manson-"Lie"......the type of record you don't even want to admit you heard, but I did....it is really weird and disjointed......as Manson was himself.....
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Awesoreno
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I defy anyone who calls a single album by Zappa "pop rock." Some of his albums are more accessible than others undoubtedly. But You Are What You Is is in no way just a pop rock record. It's too weird, calls on too many genres and styles, and is too involved compositionally. If one doesn't like the ironic lyrics, that's fine. Many can't handle the maximalism apparent in the compositions as well. Listen to the suite on side 2 of disc 1. Crazy stuff going on, particularly on I'm a Beautiful Guy and Beauty Knows No Pain. Not traditional "prog" to be sure, but progressive and fusing multiple styles.
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Starshiper
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Zappastolethetowels
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[/QUOTE]Didn't Zappa actually do a lot of tacky pop music during
his entire career? He recorded a lot of crappy 1950s doo-wop with The
Mothers, for example, at a time when that genre was naff.[/QUOTE]
Clever and funny is what I would call it. Less keen on the doo-wop, but Frank was that artist who would bring something "naff" and fuse it into his style to good effect imo. I mean, he was doing comedy rock and jazz-fusion on his '88 tour.
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Easy Money
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Zappa and many of his band members back then were very much into doo wop and even scored a couple of regional hits with songs from "Rueben and the Jets", in fact Zappa had written a couple other regional hits when he was younger. This was the music he grew up on.
There are some jokey elements to "Rueben and the Jets", but its actually a very good doo wop album, the vocal arrangements are outstanding. Doo wop music in general may sound 'jokey' to post hippie sensibilities, but it was the music of the day when Frank was young. |
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moshkito
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Hi, I think ... I think ... I think ... hmmm ... I'm getting old, and these girls don't even start turning me on ... the album, believe it or not, is a real turn off! I think that if it had more salacious material and more of a fun attitude, instead of what came off as a hidden fortress to what we already knew was going on ... it might have been better, but I'm not sure that FZ wanted to face any more ... critics ... about nearly everything he did. His house having a lot of girls in there, I don't think is an issue ... even if Gail, per Pam, did not seem to exactly mind some of it ... according to Pam it was more of a hospital/care facility for many of those ladies, and we do not know who else from the guys ... but making the album G rated (so to speak) was a bad idea ... as we knew what was going on, and it might have been more interesting to hear more ... and in this sense, there are a lot of biographical books out there, that are amazingly insane, and make this album seem like high school! Not that a rock star, or two, would not enjoy it! But of all the albums I have, I kinda think that this one is probably the most ... nothing ... album of all ... a song about the plaster casting ... by the girls, might have been more interesting ... instead of the non-talk stuff in it.
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Psychedelic Paul
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My worst "prog" albums of 1990:-
1990: Nocturnus - The Key - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nnqSqB-e4hZraasJ1mAXT4kM7_tSrJj8A 1990: Atheist - Piece of Time - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9UVqUMdHzM 1990: Death - Spiritual Healing - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lvl_GfAhTRb1TshZEYcNNBz2jtvEtNqCE 1990: Ruins - Stonehenge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m9wFAwR_Qs 1990: The Residents - Freak Show - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ll3rqyI6SWechS8ho8SRact7zFxFtgNnc 1990: Neurosis - The Word as Law - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHTo__bpnlYUcehOLkWM87s6EQ1UTCEOv All of the usual suspects again.
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