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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

And do we immunize skunks, raccoons and bats yet?
Search me, I don't live in the USA and have never even seen a skunk or raccoon. Wiki tells me that vaccines can be administered to feral animals through dosed baits though something tells me that the best delivery system would probably be a .22 rifle for an infected animal.
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They kill the ones that bite humans and or pets.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

There is no solid proof statistically that vaccs have eradicated diseases.


I'm sorry, this is really ludicrous, and stunningly false, as Dean has already pointed out.


I showed that statement to my wife with great amusement as she walked by.  She's a researcher in childhood diseases and just generally enraged by anti-vaccine quacks out there, while being surprised by how effective they are in convincing otherwise intelligent people to endanger their kids and others. 

She reads the line above and just says "what utter bullsh*t" and walks awayLOL.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

There is no solid proof statistically that vaccs have eradicated diseases.


I'm sorry, this is really ludicrous, and stunningly false, as Dean has already pointed out.

Prove that these diseases have been eradicated, not going to be able to because they have not been eradicated. Dean can't make the diseases magically go away with words or vaccinations
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

There is no solid proof statistically that vaccs have eradicated diseases.


I'm sorry, this is really ludicrous, and stunningly false, as Dean has already pointed out.

Prove that these diseases have been eradicated, not going to be able to because they have not been eradicated. Dean can't make the diseases magically go away with words or vaccinations
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Viral disease spread from one host to the next - break the chain and the virus cannot replicate and so cannot propagate. It really is that simple.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

There are usually negative aspects to anything.  With eating, people choke on food and get food poisoning. 

I can't imagine why folks would refuse to immunize their children but would drive them around in cars on a regular basis.  Ermm

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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

There is no solid proof statistically that vaccs have eradicated diseases.


I'm sorry, this is really ludicrous, and stunningly false, as Dean has already pointed out.

Prove that these diseases have been eradicated, not going to be able to because they have not been eradicated. Dean can't make the diseases magically go away with words or vaccinations
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Viral disease spread from one host to the next - break the chain and the virus cannot replicate and so cannot propagate. It really is that simple.

It's true I and I alone have the power.



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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Whooping cough has mutated in to a strain much worse, it has not been eradicated.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Whooping cough has mutated in to a strain much worse, it has not been eradicated.
No one ever said it had.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Whooping cough has mutated in to a strain much worse, it has not been eradicated.
No one ever said it had.
Oh wait - are you implying that either a) vaccines have cause the Whooping Cough virus to mutate, or b) The Whooping Cough virus has mutated itself as a defense against the vaccine?
 
 
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

This is a double problem, if you want your child not to be immunized, could maybe be seen as a right, but if a non immunized kid gets a contagious disease and kills other kids, is a crime.

Iván


Why weren't those kids immunized?

1.- That's why immunization must be mandatory.
2.- Even if immunized, the virus can mutate and turn into extremely aggressive,like tuberculosis.

Iván


1) Missing the point
2) Missing the point
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

This is a double problem, if you want your child not to be immunized, could maybe be seen as a right, but if a non immunized kid gets a contagious disease and kills other kids, is a crime.

Iván


Why weren't those kids immunized?

1.- That's why immunization must be mandatory.
2.- Even if immunized, the virus can mutate and turn into extremely aggressive,like tuberculosis.

Iván


1) Missing the point
2) Missing the point

You have been immunized against missing the point. Wink
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

But please, I mean real science, proper medical studies, actual facts and figures, not anti-vaccine propaganda, I can read that anywhere (in fact I can read this particular quote on every anti-vaccine site going).


I'm not calling every vaccine junk, dangerous, and useless, but honestly the methodology you find in a lot of medical journals is just atrocious. It's one of the main reasons that you're seeing universities instituting biological mathematics majors. Professionals are starting to come around to this fact too.
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Lets check something for those who talk about SEVERE side effects:

1.- Anthrax: 1 in 100,000 dose
2.- DTaP: 1 in 1'500,000 dose
3.- Hepatitis B : 1 in 1'100,000
4.- Influenza: 1 in 1'000,000 dose
5.- Influenza LIVE virus. No serious effect has been reported
6.- MMRV: 4 in a million
7.- Polio: The risk is so small hat can't be measured
8.- Yellow Fever: 1 in 125,000 dose
9.- Snall Pox: 1 in 20,000

Most of this SEVERE symptoms are not life threatening.

But if your kid gets small pox, polio or hepatitis B, is surely life threatening.

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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

This is a double problem, if you want your child not to be immunized, could maybe be seen as a right, but if a non immunized kid gets a contagious disease and kills other kids, is a crime.

Iván


Why weren't those kids immunized?

1.- That's why immunization must be mandatory.
2.- Even if immunized, the virus can mutate and turn into extremely aggressive,like tuberculosis.

Iván


1) Missing the point
2) Missing the point

Not missing the point, even vaccinated kids can be infected by stronger strains that a non vaccinated kid bring to school.

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As the point maker, I can attest with >99% certainty that you missed the point.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Whooping cough has mutated in to a strain much worse, it has not been eradicated.
No one ever said it had.
Oh wait - are you implying that either a) vaccines have cause the Whooping Cough virus to mutate, or b) The Whooping Cough virus has mutated itself as a defense against the vaccine?
 
 

It has been looked at
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Ivan will wear you out^


That's why I'm avoiding going further with the conversation.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Whooping cough has mutated in to a strain much worse, it has not been eradicated.
No one ever said it had.
Oh wait - are you implying that either a) vaccines have cause the Whooping Cough virus to mutate, or b) The Whooping Cough virus has mutated itself as a defense against the vaccine?
 
 

It has been looked at
Eh? I have no idea what that answer means, please explain.
 
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

But please, I mean real science, proper medical studies, actual facts and figures, not anti-vaccine propaganda, I can read that anywhere (in fact I can read this particular quote on every anti-vaccine site going).


I'm not calling every vaccine junk, dangerous, and useless, but honestly the methodology you find in a lot of medical journals is just atrocious. It's one of the main reasons that you're seeing universities instituting biological mathematics majors. Professionals are starting to come around to this fact too.
That's encouraging - perhaps more reliable data will result - too many (all?) of all these anti-vaccine scares are the result of bad analysis of poorly collated data. However, I fear that regardless of how well the data is processed, too many people will still misunderstand the results.
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