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Originally posted by zumacraig zumacraig wrote:

Barney doesn't have an agenda.  You all just can't take criticism of belief. 
Why should we? Beliefs are a part of what makes you an individual, and we can't take that away from you.

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The problem we have in this the 14th year of the 3rd millennium AD (see we can't even have a date without it being arbitrarily linked to the unverifiable date of some fictional character!), is that religious belief is put on some kind of special pedestal! I was called anti-Semitic for stating that no parents had the right to hack off the foreskin of an infant without a good medical reason for doing so! If somebody want's to be circumcised because of religious compulsion then they can wait till they are 18 and then choose to have it done like tattoos and body piercings! See how religion is allowed to perpetrate child abuse and nobody bats an eyelid? And it is a fact that no-body in the UK has been prosecuted for the barbaric female circumcision although there have been thousands of girls mutilated in this terrible way! No-body who is of right-mind would condone such abuse of children in the world today!!

Now his ignorance of history is showing.  Double loss of credibility.  Wink
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

There is an old saying in Britain.....when you go to a pub, avoid talking about sex, religion, and politics, because it always leads to trouble.

These religious (or atheist, because some atheists are at least as annoyingly evangelical as religious advocates) threads are ceasing to be faintly amusing, and tending to the annoying.

Maybe we should treat PA as a pub?
 
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

The problem we have in this the 14th year of the 3rd millennium AD (see we can't even have a date without it being arbitrarily linked to the unverifiable date of some fictional character!), is that religious belief is put on some kind of special pedestal! I was called anti-Semitic for stating that no parents had the right to hack off the foreskin of an infant without a good medical reason for doing so! If somebody want's to be circumcised because of religious compulsion then they can wait till they are 18 and then choose to have it done like tattoos and body piercings! See how religion is allowed to perpetrate child abuse and nobody bats an eyelid? And it is a fact that no-body in the UK has been prosecuted for the barbaric female circumcision although there have been thousands of girls mutilated in this terrible way! No-body who is of right-mind would condone such abuse of children in the world today!!

I may even agree but this is not the right place to post this kind of things. If you want, you can open a new thread here
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by zumacraig zumacraig wrote:

Barney doesn't have an agenda.  You all just can't take criticism of belief. 
Why should we? Beliefs are a part of what makes you an individual, and we can't take that away from you.

your beliefs are not individual.  they are collective.  if we can't be critical about what we believe, then we're screwed.  many of the problems we have in the world today are because of beliefs...ideas that have little or no basis in reality.  they are only real in our heads...in our collective mind.  

that being said, Morse's lyrics are tiresome at this point.  that's not even to mention sinister endgame implied in his naive theology.  it just brings down an otherwise fairly good lite symph prog record.
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Originally posted by zumacraig zumacraig wrote:

your beliefs are not individual.  they are collective.
How do you figure? Who do I share my specific beliefs with? That's like finding someone who is an identical copy of me.
Originally posted by zumacraig zumacraig wrote:

if we can't be critical about what we believe, then we're screwed.
When did that become an issue (as far as the review goes) ?
Originally posted by zumacraig zumacraig wrote:

many of the problems we have in the world today are because of beliefs...ideas that have little or no basis in reality.  they are only real in our heads...in our collective mind.
And what do Neal's beliefs have to do with the troubles of the world?


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Lets not make this a ridiculous religion debate.  
Take it any other thread ruined by that discussion. 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Second Life Syndrome Second Life Syndrome wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

It's very easy to rave about an album you've just heard, I wonder what the ratings of most of these would be if they were reviewed after a six months (or six years).


I wonder how up and coming bands would feel about finally getting exposure SIX YEARS after they release an album? Wink  Or, even how Dream Theater would feel if we wait until 2019 to review their new album (I probably won't listen to it, anyways)?  I review a lot of albums (some of those reviews don't even make it on this site), and there is an obvious difference in quality to a 5 star album.  2013 has been a stellar year so far, at least for those of us that like new prog music, too.  If anything, just take it as a good sign for the prog world.  What's so wrong with that?

Says the man who has only rated the Dream Theatre's 2nd & 3rd albums from 20 years ago. Tongue

 

There is nothing wrong in reviewing an album as soon as it is released but we all know that our opinion of albums we rave about when we first hear them changes with repeated listens. Not that many of these 5-star albums ever get repeated listens by most of the people who've reviewed them. Yes, new releases and up ands coming bands need promotion but it's not our job to do that, our rôle is to give a fair assessment of the music and see past the hype; when there are fanboys who'll give 5-stars to every release by a band regardless of its actual quality then we need to temper our initial "wow! that's new and refreshing" with a more seasoned view without having to wait six months (or years) - and that is in the skill of the reviewer.

 

In all honesty, I've never listened to an entire album from DT since Awake.  I'll have heard MOST of one, but that's not enough for me to review.  Anyhoo, I do agree that it's not our job to promote (though that is goal of mine on The PROG Mind), and I also agree that our opinions change.  Sometimes, a 4 -star album moves up a notch, and sometimes vice versa.  That happens, and that's why this site let's us change our ratings.  I like that very much.
For example, though, I just reviewed Haken's new album.  Now, I LOVE Haken, and I gave it 5 stars.  But this was after listening to it 3-4 times a day for the last few weeks.  I've heard it a ton; and, you know what?  It's getting better with each listen, still.  I think it will be a "classic".  I don't see myself changing that, but maybe someday 10 years from now, I will.  Who knows?  For me, in this part of my life, that album is a masterpiece.  Believe me, there have been plenty of albums I've wanted to give 5 stars, but I decided not to do so (such as my recent Mavara review).  It really is relative, so I just don't understand how someone could complain, you know?  Though, I know I'm still building my review skills, and I hope everyone is patient with me.


Oh I've gotta agree with this. I have the same feeling at times.
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Originally posted by Second Life Syndrome Second Life Syndrome wrote:


Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

The problem we have in this the 14th year of the 3rd millennium AD (see we can't even have a date without it being arbitrarily linked to the unverifiable date of some fictional character!), is that religious belief is put on some kind of special pedestal! I was called anti-Semitic for stating that no parents had the right to hack off the foreskin of an infant without a good medical reason for doing so! If somebody want's to be circumcised because of religious compulsion then they can wait till they are 18 and then choose to have it done like tattoos and body piercings! See how religion is allowed to perpetrate child abuse and nobody bats an eyelid? And it is a fact that no-body in the UK has been prosecuted for the barbaric female circumcision although there have been thousands of girls mutilated in this terrible way! No-body who is of right-mind would condone such abuse of children in the world today!!

Now his ignorance of history is showing.  Double loss of credibility.  Wink


Oh wow. This thread is interesting. Where have you been all my life!
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Originally posted by Second Life Syndrome Second Life Syndrome wrote:


Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

The problem we have in this the 14th year of the 3rd millennium AD (see we can't even have a date without it being arbitrarily linked to the unverifiable date of some fictional character!), is that religious belief is put on some kind of special pedestal! I was called anti-Semitic for stating that no parents had the right to hack off the foreskin of an infant without a good medical reason for doing so! If somebody want's to be circumcised because of religious compulsion then they can wait till they are 18 and then choose to have it done like tattoos and body piercings! See how religion is allowed to perpetrate child abuse and nobody bats an eyelid? And it is a fact that no-body in the UK has been prosecuted for the barbaric female circumcision although there have been thousands of girls mutilated in this terrible way! No-body who is of right-mind would condone such abuse of children in the world today!!

Now his ignorance of history is showing.  Double loss of credibility.  Wink


Oh wow. This thread is interesting. Where have you been all my life!

The real question is, have you turned your life over to the Lord and seen the error of your sinful ways, Nick?

Well, enjoy it while it lasts, there's already calls for

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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Second Life Syndrome Second Life Syndrome wrote:


Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

The problem we have in this the 14th year of the 3rd millennium AD (see we can't even have a date without it being arbitrarily linked to the unverifiable date of some fictional character!), is that religious belief is put on some kind of special pedestal! I was called anti-Semitic for stating that no parents had the right to hack off the foreskin of an infant without a good medical reason for doing so! If somebody want's to be circumcised because of religious compulsion then they can wait till they are 18 and then choose to have it done like tattoos and body piercings! See how religion is allowed to perpetrate child abuse and nobody bats an eyelid? And it is a fact that no-body in the UK has been prosecuted for the barbaric female circumcision although there have been thousands of girls mutilated in this terrible way! No-body who is of right-mind would condone such abuse of children in the world today!!

Now his ignorance of history is showing.  Double loss of credibility.  Wink


Oh wow. This thread is interesting. Where have you been all my life!

The real question is, have you turned your life over to the Lord and seen the error of your sinful ways, Nick?

Well, enjoy it while it lasts, there's already calls for



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Seriously though, I've never really had the urge to go full retard in any of my reviews either being politically pretentious or speaking in depths about certain religions. I just feel that is hot bed of holy shi people are gonna get mad at me! I remember when I first joined PA and decided to review a few Saviour Machine albums, but I remember thinking to myself just focus more on the music than the massive religious undertones. Needless to say, I'm glad I did cause its all about the music anyway, and Neal Morse being the Christian god loving man while using his religion to influence his music and song writing capabilities doesn't bother me one bit. He is his own man. Actually writes pretty incredible music too. Sola Scriptura was brilliant and was also about as religiously fueled as can be for my tastes.

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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by zumacraig zumacraig wrote:

your beliefs are not individual.  they are collective.
How do you figure? Who do I share my specific beliefs with? That's like finding someone who is an identical copy of me.
Originally posted by zumacraig zumacraig wrote:

if we can't be critical about what we believe, then we're screwed.
When did that become an issue (as far as the review goes) ?
Originally posted by zumacraig zumacraig wrote:

many of the problems we have in the world today are because of beliefs...ideas that have little or no basis in reality.  they are only real in our heads...in our collective mind.
And what do Neal's beliefs have to do with the troubles of the world?

your beliefs come from your culture.  the christian end-game is genocide for non-believers.  as for problems in the world, look at the middle east and it's connection to 3 religions that claim absolute truth.
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Let's keep it on the down low with all the religious talk in here boys. This is by no means an uninteresting debate, but I'd like to see this thread get back to the topic of reviews and dancing about architectureSmile 
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The opium of the masses is a hopeless discussion that has led nowhere except strife, revolution, misery and genocide. We can talk about music, politics and sex but religion needs to be compartmentalized , since it inherently IS!

The repugnant term 'Whatever!' is appropriate  here. Back to topicParty 
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The only Gods who can be discussed in this thread are Pan and Yog Sototh (both flutists)
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

The only Gods who can be discussed in this thread are Pan and Yog Sototh (both flutists)

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Originally posted by zumacraig zumacraig wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

The only Gods who can be discussed in this thread are Pan and Yog Sototh (both flutists)

Don't for get Ian Anderson Wink
Ian Anderson was never a deity, made up or actually worshipped. Tongue
He does pay tribute to Pan in a song or two though.
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Verdict of the debate: Yes, I do quite like cottage cheese.

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