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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2019 at 05:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2019 at 17:20
hahah..  yeah.. as I've long said.. OH THE BOOKS that our children's children will be reading of these years and that election and the WTF's and 'what were they thinking' they will elicit.  Wise teachers will use Trump and Trump voter as a great example of exactly what the Founding Fathers feared and why we had the electoral college. The only problem is it took over 200 years for their fears about an ignorant uneducated electorate not taking their civic... not right.. but the flip side of that... their civic DUTY and responsibility that comes with rights seriously and making stupid decision that harm this country and its treasured institutions.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2019 at 17:47
^ I wish we'd started seeing those 'what-were-they-thinking' books about Nixon, but instead we got exposes on Watergate, Vietnam and the Deep State rather than WTF? kinds of things.   No one seems to question the election of Richard Nixon because at the time he won two terms authoritatively.   They bash him, but they don't scold voters for making it happen.   And isn't that who's responsible for what we have now?   It's not Trump's fault, he's just being Trump.   It's his goddamned supporters who will clearly return him to office if they can help it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2019 at 18:00
ohhhh.. make that topic 3 we dive deeply into over beers and steaks.. hopefully sooner rather than later. I really owe Raff a trip out west and haven't been back home in so long.

I'm returning to this later on David..  I want to toss off my thoughts and you can tell me the errors of my thoughts and see where this goes.

as a parting thought to my post.   I posted this in the aftermath of the midterms and I think I hit on something that bears thought and consideration.. as to the whys.  Had an interesting conversation with a guy about Global warming and climate change and why..  why we are ignoring this.  I gave the stock cynical but accurate and realistic reason. We are human and worse.. men...  we do 4 things and do them very well. We are born..  we create.. we destroy.. and we die but before we die what do we do..  we don't look back and reflect on the world we are soon leaving behind.. we look are OUR lives and lament how much.. or how little we grabbed for ourselves.

I mention that .. and the post I just made for althought woman and suburbanites fleeing the GOP got the headlines.. there was another demographic that while not fleeing completely...  definitely turned from solid Red.  Old folk...  those who might more than any reflect on this country. .where its has been ..where it is now.. and where is going

the over 85's were on average voting Repubican by 20 points and had been for years... in 2018... 1 point.... yep 1 point so pretty much dead even and that was a shocker if one knows anything about politics.. or perhaps even if not.. it is a general given that most would suspect even if they didn't know. The young go Democxratic.. the older Republican... I think they see as much as some of us and the damage to this country and its institutions and values under Trump. One of the many reasons the deep read of the numbers and trends show Trump really has little chance in 2020.  He is losing all but a small and fanasticlly loyal segment of the population and that will never win him a general election unless of course he was facing Hillary and I think she might actually beat him this time.  Enough who sat it out.. simply wouldn't this time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2019 at 18:37
I don't see any particular errors in your thoughts, and, as always, I only hope you're right.  As for the elderly, I suppose it's possible many have either changed politically or simply mellowed and become better human beings.

But there seems to be a pervasive problem in this country (which you elude to), however it apparently has little to do with age, education, upbringing, philosophy or even religion.   There seems to be (at least) two different kinds of brains at work here that cause two different perspectives:  a kind of parallax, wherein what you and I see as clear and evident, the other brain-type sees in quite an opposed way.   You and I see a ripe apple on a table, the person on the other side of that table sees the bruises, imperfections and inevitable decay of a piece of fruit.   Explain to me how a proclaimed Libertarian, one who holds personal freedoms as their highest value, can be against and even actively try to take away an adult woman's right to choose how to handle her own pregnancy?   It makes no sense at all and is a glaring anomaly in the Libertarian position.  

We can say it's fear or foolishness but Progressives can be just as fearful and foolish, just over other things.   Do I think border security is important?   Of course I do, why wouldn't I.   But I knew Trump was coming at it from a rich man's perspective, one who'd grown up on some very mean NYC streets surely despising what he saw as the "Black hordes", "Hispanic invaders", "Asian clowns", and "Flaming fags" of Manhattan.  

And it's a very real problem, one that won't go away and must be understood and even accepted to make any real social progress and change in attitude.   But it does occur--  just look how far the LGBT community has come.   Pretty soon few people will even think of them as "gay" because they will be completely legitimate players with a lot of money and influence.   They already have it in many cases.

I agree with you that Trump is an anomaly much like 9/11 was, an aberration not to be repeated if we can do anything about it.   But the people in these polls who say they won't vote Trump, that they like Biden or Kamala or Bernie, better be serious because otherwise we'll have the Donald for another four.   You can count on that.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2019 at 21:27
you are too kind David..  I do think there are some serious differences between Nixon and Trump.  We've talked of them over these pages. The Republican Party survived Nixon for they didn't blindly support him or turn their head away and ignore what he did.  They took a short term hit but obviously bounced back quickly.

ie Nixon and all that sh*t was more about him.. and his personal failings than any larger indictment of the system or its voters.

Then there is Trump... and the huge difference between then and now...likely far more serious crimes from what we know about what the FBI found on him.. .. far FAR greater damage to our ideals, .. sh*t David. The man is seriously considering ignoring the courts.. the SCOTUS simply because he didn't like what the courts told him. Those are serious.. unheard lines we are serously contemplating

yet what do we get from the Republicans in Congress...    crickets chirping...  that party lost any sense of ideals or even sense of being American. It is all about itself. Party loyalty and political power first and forement.. even over our country.. even over our damn Consittution.

the Republican party survived Nixon..   they aren't going to survive Trump. Said it even before the 2016 election. Trump expedited it.. and the GOP congress just cemented it. That party will be extinct within a decade and a half.  I'll bet the house .. all 3 of them of them .. on it. 

Great post btw and yes..  if Democrats don't get out and vote Trump will win. If they do get out and vote.. Trump will lose.  I think the 2018 midterms showed.. and has continued into 2019 that Democrats are for once fully engaged and fully mobilized.  I don't see Trump winning. He can of course.. it is a long way till Nov 2020.  But baring a real Democratic meltdown... like a Bernie nomination or Biden fallling asleep and drooling on his debate podium on stage with Trump.  No way the Democrats stay home and let Trump win this.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2019 at 22:03
Straddling old life/new life once again, as so many times in my lifetime(s), so not responding as often as I am watching and paying attention.  You are absolutely right, if the Dems do not get behind one person and split the vote again, Trump will win.  Not acceptable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2019 at 22:12
Re previous comments:   As someone who was there for both, one of the main differences between trump and nixon is that trump's faults were obvious from the beginning, and despite many obvious faults from the start, nixon's worst faults did not come out until later. We were at least somewhat surprised at how weird nixon turned out to be, but in all fairness, there were some who were not surprised at all.

Another difference is that while nixon attracted a traditional republican crowd of business types and law and order conservatives, trump's appeal is different. trump is all about nationalism, and he often appeals to those who don't even know what the word means, they are just attracted to the rhetoric (ie hooray for our side!!), and good old reliable brain dead anti-immigration.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2019 at 07:51
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:


But there seems to be a pervasive problem in this country (which you elude to), however it apparently has little to do with age, education, upbringing, philosophy or even religion.   There seems to be (at least) two different kinds of brains at work here that cause two different perspectives:  a kind of parallax, wherein what you and I see as clear and evident, the other brain-type sees in quite an opposed way.   You and I see a ripe apple on a table, the person on the other side of that table sees the bruises, imperfections and inevitable decay of a piece of fruit.   Explain to me how a proclaimed Libertarian, one who holds personal freedoms as their highest value, can be against and even actively try to take away an adult woman's right to choose how to handle her own pregnancy?   It makes no sense at all and is a glaring anomaly in the Libertarian position.  


Edited your quote to respond to the one thought (or is that two?  Wink).  I too, observe this and even read a scientific study a while back that suggested this is true.  Wish I could remember where, but no matter, we see it in front of us if we look objectively at it anyway.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2019 at 07:56
hah.. got an interesting email yesterday.  From the Warren campaign.. telling me that if I get a phone call from a strange number.. don't ignore it .. answer it. Seems a certain someone would like to talk to me.  Shame she didn't call last night.. that would have been highly entertaining... my boss who is a Republican and my best friend who is .. skeptical but encouraged by her stance on guns would have liked to talked to her as well.  All 3 being slightly...  sh*t.. highly inenbriated hahah.  Mistakes were made 'Liz... you will get well spoken and educated Mick.. but you could have got the other side of Mick.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2019 at 16:16
Trump really removed his hood today in a stunning series of tweets...Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2019 at 17:26
yeah..  that was quite something wasn't it.. but it was Sunday so all bets are off when he gets bored of playing with his green army men and watching porn videos... and the Toddler in Chief's handlers even have to have one day off.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2019 at 17:39
Was reading the FoxNews reports of the tweets--  I have to say when it comes to much of their print journalism they currently have the most objective reporting compared to NYT, CNN, and NBC, which is to say minimal commentary.   Interesting.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2019 at 17:56
Oh I love minimum commentary myself which is in why in large part I don't get my news from the media giants.  Though with FAUX it would be mighty tempting just to see them try to rationalize what Trump says and does. Granted as we noted a few days ago.. and Trump himself sure has noticed. While the opinion/entertainment side of FAUX still gives excellent head to Trump.. the hard news side has earned his ire by starting to intimate what we have long since known.. the emporer wannabe .. has no clothes.. 

curious what set him off today..   must have tossed off a solid one once he heard TN passed that law honored the KKK dude..

I tell ya man.. I am getting right pissed with Trump and the Republicans. I was one of the first non professionals to call out and predict the death of the Repubican Party.. but at least i did prior to 2016.. they are making it too easy these days. It is like they want to die..  putting the gun against its own head and pulling the f**king trigger..  any swinging dick can predict how THAT will end.  sheesh... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2019 at 18:04
or .. hmmm you what it culd have been that really set Trump off ... I caught wind of this but haven't seen much talk of it.  His VP..  perhaps seeing the parallels between the Titanic and Trump 2020 and having always cared about his own political ambitions made 2 noteworthy breaks with Trump this week. One killing off a judicial nominee.. and more ominously... break the red wall of silence .... the inhuman conditions of the concentration.. I mean detention camps (it is a PC world you know).

I bet that mr. thin skin himself didn't dig that... at all
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2019 at 18:48
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

I was one of the first non professionals to call out and predict the death of the Repubican Party.. but at least i did prior to 2016.. they are making it too easy these days. It is like they want to die..  putting the gun against its own head and pulling the f**king trigger..  any swinging dick can predict how THAT will end.  sheesh... 

 
LOL  You and Chris Matthews (a news hero of mine).   You guys have been saying that for years, so when is this gonna all go down?   Or is it a slow lingering death so conservatives have time to say "I never like the GOP, good riddance !"


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2019 at 19:09
don't know about Mathews..  but I have the date circled on my calander...

2032.. book it..  that is the year Texas goes from swing state which is now .. it is in play if a Democrat makes a play for it.. to solidly Blue.  Along with another census driving the House further out Republican reach. They will implode for being out of the White House for 12 years and with ZERO path to ever getting back into it..  14 years out of the House and likely looking at (if ever) another half century like we had last century of Democratic rule.. and the Senate..  again..  red states are going purple and eventually blue.. how many blue states are going purple/red.  None.. the Senate will not only be out of their hands but the Fllabuster (ie the 60 vote threshold0 will dead..  the final chapter btw of the soon to be written book about Mitch McConnell and how he destroyed the Senate.   No way in HELL the democrats let him obstruct again like he did Obama.  It will have taken long enough to have gotten off their moral and responsible adult in a room of children...high ground and play the same game he and the GOP has.  Dirty cut throat partisan power politics. If the Democrats don't take back the Senate in 2020. .which I do think they will.. they will definitely in 2022 when the Senate map is even more favorable than 2020.

the caveat to all this.. and trust me David.. I hear it all the time.   Yes.. but the Republicans will adjust.. they will moderate.  

HAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Just like they did in California huh..   broaden their appeal and stop panderting the white nationalism and perceived white argrievments.  Sure.. and who did the GOP put up for Gov in Cali in 2018.  

yep some Trumpkin calling for the f**king wall... IN f**kING CALIFORNIA ..  no.  in order to moderate.. which in start terms is to move left..  means they have to disown their core support.  Long term health.. short term polticial suicide .. so who is going to do it. Be the one to say...  sorry.. we don't want your votes.. your time ruling this country and sh*tting on minorities is over.. it is a new America.

yeah sure..   thus that is what Mathews sees.. what many see David..  it will happen for there is little chance in hell the GOP can adjust.  Trump losing and losing badly was the last chance the party had...   they are backed too far into a corner now.. and are sheding large demographics that as we noted with Reagan Democrats.. once you lose them...  you lose them for some time.. decades.. generations.

that party is dead man walking...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2019 at 19:11
2032 ?!    Good god man I'll be too old to hear or see the news.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2019 at 19:14
these things take time and Texas is what will kill the GOP..  it could turn earlier.. it could go like Virginia that was solid red and was for a generation until it wasn't and now the GOP can't buy a state or Federal office here... but still hedging on 2032.  
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