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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 23:19 |
Well it's a Lovecraftian name and the music matches the name very well indeed. Just make sure the beloved understands you... I find whenever it comes to foreign bands, the family always try and find an English band/album to buy you instead. Especially as I try to make sure I pronounce names as close to the original as possible (when I know it, of course). So Univers Zero confuses people. No worries with Donna/Melissa reference. I glanced at your blog a while back and took it from there. Well early UZ are closer to the Present sound, so you should like it. Later on, they changed their sound somewhat, as did Art Zoyd.
Edited by James - June 21 2008 at 23:19
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song_of_copper
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 04:53 |
James wrote:
Well it's a Lovecraftian name and the music matches the name very well indeed.
I'll bet somewhere, there's a list of bands and/or albums specifically inspired by writers/literature... Could be a 'themed mini-collection' in that - I love those!
Just make sure the beloved understands you... I find whenever it comes to foreign bands, the family always try and find an English band/album to buy you instead. Especially as I try to make sure I pronounce names as close to the original as possible (when I know it, of course). So Univers Zero confuses people.
Haha, so my sending him a 'helpful email' with links to specific pages on the Wayside website might just do the trick then...!
No worries with Donna/Melissa reference. I glanced at your blog a while back and took it from there.
Nice of you to drop in!
Well early UZ are closer to the Present sound, so you should like it. Later on, they changed their sound somewhat, as did Art Zoyd.
Not sure why Present seems so much more appealing. It seems more 'mischievous' perhaps... Can't really judge/compare of course without a proper listen to UZ... will return when able to offer an informed opinion...
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Alucard
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 04:12 |
slightly sentimental...If you want to hear the soundtrack of my early 80's .... interesting compilation with good liner notes for every track and a special mention for my hometown band 'Les Liaisons Dangereuses' & "My Spine Is The bassline " by Shriekback"..... if you like dancable postpunk you should check this one out....(if there is some interest I can upload it)
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Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear
"Hey there! Rotter's Club!
Explain the meaning of this song and share it"
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 18:35 |
Alucard wrote:
slightly sentimental...If you want to hear the soundtrack of my early 80's .... interesting compilation with good liner notes for every track and a special mention for my hometown band 'Les Liaisons Dangereuses' & "My Spine Is The bassline " by Shriekback"..... if you like dancable postpunk you should check this one out....(if there is some interest I can upload it)
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Aaahhh, the good old days when experimental music had a bit of bump in the rump - I know and love about half of the tracks on that album, and they've mostly aged well. Mind you, if I was going to pick a Shriekback track it would probably be Lined Up rather than My Spine, but a fine collection nonetheless and warmly recommended to anybody who's curious and isn't afraid of the word 'disco'.
Edited by Syzygy - June 23 2008 at 18:36
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'Like so many of you
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to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Posted: June 24 2008 at 14:16 |
Alucard wrote:
slightly sentimental...If you want to hear the soundtrack of my early 80's .... interesting compilation with good liner notes for every track and a special mention for my hometown band 'Les Liaisons Dangereuses' & "My Spine Is The bassline " by Shriekback"..... if you like dancable postpunk you should check this one out....(if there is some interest I can upload it)
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Hello Alucard, how are you my friend?
This was the hey-day of my youth [as well as Chris' I think?], so much of it I've heard - used to go see James White at CBGBs all the time, adored the NY no-wave scene..Nonetheless, some stuff hear I haven't heard, so thanks for the heads up!
Hope you're well -
Best,
Claire
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Posted: June 24 2008 at 14:23 |
BTW, have any of you heard Arbete och Fritid [Arbete and Fritid] ? I'm listening to the 1st now and I'm really digging it! I don't really hear folk at all myself, just very interesting, beautiful music - much more complex than folk... Aaanyway, If your interested it comes highly recommended [the 1st I've heard anyway..] - they're also on the NWW list fyi:
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: June 24 2008 at 14:24 |
song_of_copper wrote:
James wrote:
Donna, how familiar with Univers Zero are you? I would definitely try and find either Heresie or Ceux du Dehors, if you have not already.
Also check out Shub-Niggurath, if you can find their CDs.
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(Hehe, I should be less confusing about names... it's really Melissa. You can call me Donna if you like though. But I draw the line at Donald... )
UZ is totally on my list. I wasn't that immediately grabbed by the snippets I heard, but it's not necessarily an 'instant love' kind of thing, by all accounts. I'm having a birthday in a couple of weeks... ( - going to be old! Well, slightly 'less young'...) - all being well there might be some musical pressies (Strong Hints were dropped!), possibly including Univers Zero... we'll just have to see how far my nearest and dearest wants to encourage my 'weird taste in music'...
I'm sure I'll get round to Shub Niggurath at some point. That is one evil-sounding name, by the way!!
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Donald lol. That clears up the confusion about your name at least All ze Univers Zero hype, I'm going to have to listen to them soon I guess. This thread is odd, James hasn't posted in it for a few days, which means it isn't Reeeeeo enough.
Edited by HughesJB4 - June 24 2008 at 14:25
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Posted: June 24 2008 at 15:18 |
Just coming back to the whole mutant disco thing again - it's interesting that this posting met with such a positive response; I think there would have been a very different reaction if it had been posted elsewhere on the site (not wholly negative, necessarily, but much more mixed). Anyway, I think that this is also indicative of the way that RIO/Avant musicians were quick to engage with punk,funk, dub and disco (and later with hip hop, turntablism, sampling and plunderphonics) in a way that their more mainstream contemporaries failed to do.
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Posted: June 24 2008 at 17:35 |
Syzygy wrote:
Just coming back to the whole mutant disco thing again - it's interesting that this posting met with such a positive response; I think there would have been a very different reaction if it had been posted elsewhere on the site (not wholly negative, necessarily, but much more mixed). Anyway, I think that this is also indicative of the way that RIO/Avant musicians were quick to engage with punk,funk, dub and disco (and later with hip hop, turntablism, sampling and plunderphonics) in a way that their more mainstream contemporaries failed to do. |
Very well said, as usual Chris. :) I read this on the Tuxedomoon list, and thought it rather apropos:
"> The term postpunk loosely designates a lot of > music, most of which was described at the time as > punk or new wave. Generally, it has the edge and > aggression of punk, and grew out of the general DIY > spirit of the age, but is more complex or > experimental and bears the stamp of an avant garde > or progressive influence.
Post-punk, as Neil observes, was a media label designed to umbrella many different and competing musical styles under a convenient rubric that situated its historical position as happening after/because of punk. Like all labels, it's lazy and often misapplied, again as Neil notes, to the likes of Pere Ubu, Residents etc. whose early work predates punk.
As a movement, punk was bound to flare briefly and then die. Living the lifestyle for any length of time was a pretty unpleasant experience for all but the real die-hard nihilists or masochists. Once it began to catch on, the temptation to become assimilated into the machine was often, perhaps usually, too great. And, once 'punks' began to make 'music', some became proficient on their instruments and began to make music outside of punk's limitations. The synthesizer, new thing on the block, was a lot easier to master than the guitar and opened up a more experimental, less commercial approach in keeping with a 'punk'/DIY/self-sufficient ethos. Some bands used synths to complement their guitars, others threw away their guitars and began to learn sound engineering.
Several luminaries of the period went through art school and took art/film culture into their music (Almond & Ball met at Leeds University and Foxx has been a professional graphic designer since Ultravox! days). Some were influenced by prog or European music (Magazine's inspired noodling, Lydon's constant namedropping of Can in his PIL days, OMD's Andy McCluskey urging fans to buy Kraftwerk and Neu!), or worked with musician/producers like Howlett, Hillage, Bill Nelson etc. Some were aiming for Greater Things or Weirder Things - Billy Idol's rock career; bandmate Tony James' leap/plunge from Generation X to much-vilified glampunks Sigue Sigue Sputnik.
As Tyrell tells Roy Batty in Blade Runner, "the light that burns twice as brightly burns half as long". Punk opened the door to a new way of making music and, despite its own inbuilt termination date, a new way of relating to music that simplified and demystified it. Punk was a stepping-stone for many and varied reasons, but a stepping-stone nonetheless; a short-lived conduit to getting noticed that was generally discarded once the job was done.
I'd agree that the term itself is just another label - it would be hard to argue that the Sex Pistols embodied the tabloid-enraging 'f**k you' attitude better than almost anyone, yet their sound smacks more of metal/heavy rock than, say, the thin scratchy guitars of The Adverts or The Lurkers or a million others. But whatever punk was, as Alain says, it liberated a lot of us in a way that makes it impossible to forget and, probably, impossible to recapture.
Best, JC
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 24 2008 at 17:49 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
song_of_copper wrote:
James wrote:
Donna, how familiar with Univers Zero are you? I would definitely try and find either Heresie or Ceux du Dehors, if you have not already.
Also check out Shub-Niggurath, if you can find their CDs.
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(Hehe, I should be less confusing about names... it's really Melissa. You can call me Donna if you like though. But I draw the line at Donald... )
UZ is totally on my list. I wasn't that immediately grabbed by the snippets I heard, but it's not necessarily an 'instant love' kind of thing, by all accounts. I'm having a birthday in a couple of weeks... ( - going to be old! Well, slightly 'less young'...) - all being well there might be some musical pressies (Strong Hints were dropped!), possibly including Univers Zero... we'll just have to see how far my nearest and dearest wants to encourage my 'weird taste in music'...
I'm sure I'll get round to Shub Niggurath at some point. That is one evil-sounding name, by the way!!
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Donald lol. That clears up the confusion about your name at least All ze Univers Zero hype, I'm going to have to listen to them soon I guess.
This thread is odd, James hasn't posted in it for a few days, which means it isn't Reeeeeo enough.
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Harry, we're not in the SR now, so speak proper. Melissa, I hope the nearest and dearest buy you what you require. I have asked my family to buy CDs for me before but they rarely do. Partly because I do not tell them what I want and secondly because I have a lot of CDs on my "To Buy" list that are very hard to find. I prefer buying them for myself anyhow. Martin, I'll have to look into post-punk more. The "dance" and "disco" elements do kind of put me off but I maybe pleasantly surprised. The only disco I like is tongue-in-cheek works by avant-prog bands.
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 03:12 |
I kind of thought (hoped) that Claire & Chris would catch the bait
...and yes it was a great period......the freshness and uncomplicated side of the music ... the 'everything goes' character...a lot of the post punk bands are progressive in terms of experimentation....and the clubby dancing side.... I remermber a great Rip Rig And Panic concert with Neneh Cherry in an old factory....also the only time I played in a band..(tons of noise are still waiting to be released one day )
BTW a good read about this period is a book by Simon Reynolds that Chris recommended me...
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Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear
"Hey there! Rotter's Club!
Explain the meaning of this song and share it"
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song_of_copper
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 14:34 |
James wrote:
Melissa,
I hope the nearest and dearest buy you what you require. I have asked my family to buy CDs for me before but they rarely do. Partly because I do not tell them what I want and secondly because I have a lot of CDs on my "To Buy" list that are very hard to find.
I prefer buying them for myself anyhow.
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I think it should work out ok - but then I did make a pretty clear list! (Also, it only contained readily available things. With scarce stuff, I agree, it's more fun to buy it yourself!) Apparently, two packages have arrived, so I'm quite intrigued now...
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 16:23 |
song_of_copper wrote:
Hello all!
I *finally* received my double-CD of Present 'Triskaidekaphobie'/'Le Poison Qui Rend Fou'
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I just ordered this for $5!
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 18:26 |
That's not fair... I think I got it for less than $10 but after postage and all that, it's a wee bit more expensive. I think I got my copy from Wayside.
Mel, you'll love it. I hope you do anyhow!
Pat, I don't know if you will or not.
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 20:05 |
James wrote:
That's not fair... I think I got it for less than $10 but after postage and all that, it's a wee bit more expensive. I think I got my copy from Wayside.
Mel, you'll love it. I hope you do anyhow!
Pat, I don't know if you will or not.
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Me neither, but I need to test the French avant waters. Even though the band is Belgian.
Edited by NaturalScience - June 25 2008 at 20:06
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 20:38 |
Well if you like avant chamber music, then you may appreciate it. Just make sure you let me know your thoughts. I also look forward hearing M's thoughts, especially as she already enjoys Daniel Denis' Present.
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 22:03 |
Hey! I saw this thread a while back, wanted to post, but wasn't too familiar with RIO back then (and had my previous account), so I never did. I actually forgot about it until recently, so I thought I'd drop in.
I mainly became familiar to prog through Symphonic and Heavy, but especially as of lately I've been digging alot more RIO/Avant and Zeuhl stuff.
My favorite RIO/Avant artists: Zappa (well, if you can call him that) Samla Mammas Manna Beefheart Univers Zero Residents Henry Cow etc.
My favorite of the actual RIO original 5 though is SMM.
I'm currently going to check into Present as well (well, hopefully soon); do you guys have any other recommendations that may be a bit more obscure/unknown than those I mentioned but that I'd like? I'm open to pretty much anything.
Edit: Oops, didn't realize a typo until after I re-checked this thread.
Edited by MovingPictures07 - June 26 2008 at 00:14
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 22:29 |
AKSAK MABOUL.
One of my favorites.
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