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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2011 at 03:26

The economy is so bad now that even the foxes are teaching their cubs to hunt mice, squirrels and other wild animals. The local foxes has had it good for the last ten years with biscuits and other treats from us humans. But those  times are over. It is back to being a fox now for the foxes.

That's how bad these times are. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2011 at 03:27
What I find interesting right now are the countries with nicely growing economies; Argentina is booming, and Israel's national economy growing by 5%.   But it seems the reasons for this financial health are not necessarily the things that we hear are so important--  Argentina's main source of cash influx and opportunity is coming from their export of soy to China and elsewhere rather than industrial production.  Israel different of course, closer to the US in that it has a huge arms industry and bases much of its economy on a perpetual War State, but as it's so much smaller than America these benefits are more directly felt by her population.

It is possible the US and Europe are suffering as much from their own past successes as from bad management;  conversely when you're small, struggling and don't have much to lose, it can evidently be a good recipe for growth.  If the US could find a really hot export - just one - it could really help.   Barbecues?  Deep Fryers?  Hemp products?  T-shirts?  Hip Hop?   There must be something the world wants, other than guns, only we can make.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2011 at 03:38
Well one good thing for Israel is that thanks to the second cold war, erm war on terror, (which Bama is obviously dedicated to) we can have perpetual war for decades!

And iunno man the US making something? Seems pretty old school, you nutty b*****d
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2011 at 03:42
it is wacky, isn't it--  more people best start learning some skills then, if manufacturing isn't gonna be a big part of our future
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2011 at 03:45
I've changed the title as the irony of some of the 'less than economical' posts has been bugging me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2011 at 04:37
Is Israel really doing that well? A month or so ago, hundreds of thousands of people marched on Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, protesting over growing austerity, skyrocketting cost of living, and high unemployment.

The situation to watch right now is the nightmare unfolding in Italy. The Euro debt crisis was predicted by many economists over a decade ago, as was the soaring price of gold, and the demise of the dollar. Italy is too big to fail, and simply too big to save. Britains banks are exposed to over £64B worth of Italian debt, and we're not even in the Eurozone. When Italy goes down the pan, expect another global banking f*cktastrophe that will make the panic of 08 look like a 'blip'

We should also be mindful of the war drums beating in the background as Israel and the US line up Iran in the crosshairs. War could be one way out of the economic crisis, for our leaders and could secure Obama's second term. The people tend to rally behind their leaders in times of war, so long as the propoganda is carefully crafted and presented to them.

I can't post Youtube clips from work, but I'll post a clip later of a former Goldman Sachs analyst, being interviewed earlier this year by Yahoo news. These days he makes stock market forecasts for private investors, and analyses social and economic trends. He claims that historical economic patterns and war/peace cycles suggest that a 'major war' is expected in late 2012.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2011 at 18:39
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2011 at 18:42
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Is Israel really doing that well? A month or so ago, hundreds of thousands of people marched on Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, protesting over growing austerity, skyrocketting cost of living, and high unemployment.
  Yeah but isn't that always the way?  I mean if things were "good" in the US, you'd have people complaining how a home is too expensive with no end in sight That, sure, you can get a job, in a canning factory or stocking shelves And yeah the economy is good, if you like living in a cold, throwaway society.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2011 at 01:59
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I've changed the title as the irony of some of the 'less than economical' posts has been bugging me.

I'm progressive, I dont believe in economical!


Why say something in one sentence when you can do it in two?
Better yet three of course.
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The nation is still recovering from a crushing recession that sent unemployment hovering above nine percent for two straight years. The president, mindful of soaring deficits, is pushing bold action to shore up the nation's balance sheet. Cloaking himself in the language of class warfare, he calls on a hostile Congress to end wasteful tax breaks for the rich. "We're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share," he thunders to a crowd in Georgia. Such tax loopholes, he adds, "sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary – and that's crazy."

Preacherlike, the president draws the crowd into a call-and-response. "Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver," he demands, "or less?"

The crowd, sounding every bit like the protesters from Occupy Wall Street, roars back: "MORE!"

The year was 1985. The president was Ronald Wilson Reagan.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2011 at 23:49
Well done!

Yet so many people fight about the parties like children, when will they realize they are the same thing except for social issues.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2011 at 00:22
Thank you JJ, funny how slarti talks out of both sides of his mouth.  "I'm not a democrat shill!  Hey, look at this link/political-cartoon I got about those evil republicans.  Better bend over and spread 'em for us so you don't have to kneel down and open wide for them."
 
How about we end tax loopholes by ending the need for taxation. 
 
Also, when did Rolling Stone go from sh*tty music magazine to sh*tty political magazine?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2011 at 00:31
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Thank you JJ, funny how slarti talks out of both sides of his mouth.  "I'm not a democrat shill!  Hey, look at this link/political-cartoon I got about those evil republicans.  Better bend over and spread 'em for us so you don't have to kneel down and open wide for them."
 
How about we end tax loopholes by ending the need for taxation. 
 
Also, when did Rolling Stone go from sh*tty music magazine to sh*tty political magazine?

Yeah, either I have to conform to your stereotypical notions of what I should believe or I'm being two-faced.   Very brave coming from a manofmystery.Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2011 at 00:34
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

it is wacky, isn't it--  more people best start learning some skills then, if manufacturing isn't gonna be a big part of our future



Yes, they should...because I really don't expect manufacturing to ever be a big part of our future.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2011 at 00:55
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Thank you JJ, funny how slarti talks out of both sides of his mouth.  "I'm not a democrat shill!  Hey, look at this link/political-cartoon I got about those evil republicans.  Better bend over and spread 'em for us so you don't have to kneel down and open wide for them."
 
How about we end tax loopholes by ending the need for taxation. 
 
Also, when did Rolling Stone go from sh*tty music magazine to sh*tty political magazine?

Yeah, either I have to conform to your stereotypical notions of what I should believe or I'm being two-faced.   Very brave coming from a manofmystery.Dead
 
 
You do this all the time: you don't talk issues you play politics.  Then when you're called on it you get all disguisted and play victim.  I'm not calling you out on your consistently anti-republican political shill links/cartoon to defend republicans (lord knows i hate them too), no, it's simply because you can't get it through your skull that you're being one-sided.  Your past political posts read like a DNC pamphlet. 


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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

 
You do this all the time: you don't talk issues you play politics.  Then when you're called on it you get all disguisted and play victim.  I'm not calling you out on your consistently anti-republican political shill links/cartoon to defend republicans (lord knows i hate them too), no, it's simply because you can't get it through your skull that you're being one-sided.  Your past political posts read like a DNC pamphlet. 

I write issues that are political, so I'm playing politics.  When I get idiotic attacks from the likes of you I respond back and that's playing victim.  I am not consistently anti-republican or anti-libertarian, you however demonstrate a constant ability not to ever pay attention.  I don't hate republicans.  You can't win the argument on the issues when countered with a well thought out response to your position so you engage in personal attacks.  Geeze, talk about projection.  By they way, if you can put in a good word for me at the DNC, I'd love to earn some money in spare time writing pamphlets for them. Tongue
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A good Paul Krugman editorial than I'm sure you will find a bunch of left-wing nonsense:

"For decades the story of technology has been dominated, in the popular mind and to a large extent in reality, by computing and the things you can do with it. Moore’s Law — in which the price of computing power falls roughly 50 percent every 18 months — has powered an ever-expanding range of applications, from faxes to Facebook."

...

"So it’s worth pointing out that special treatment for fracking makes a mockery of free-market principles. Pro-fracking politicians claim to be against subsidies, yet letting an industry impose costs without paying compensation is in effect a huge subsidy. They say they oppose having the government “pick winners,” yet they demand special treatment for this industry precisely because they claim it will be a winner.

And now for something completely different: the success story you haven’t heard about.

These days, mention solar power and you’ll probably hear cries of “Solyndra!” Republicans have tried to make the failed solar panel company both a symbol of government waste — although claims of a major scandal are nonsense — and a stick with which to beat renewable energy.

But Solyndra’s failure was actually caused by technological success: the price of solar panels is dropping fast, and Solyndra couldn’t keep up with the competition. In fact, progress in solar panels has been so dramatic and sustained that, as a blog post at Scientific American put it, “there’s now frequent talk of a ‘Moore’s law’ in solar energy,” with prices adjusted for inflation falling around 7 percent a year.

This has already led to rapid growth in solar installations, but even more change may be just around the corner. If the downward trend continues — and if anything it seems to be accelerating — we’re just a few years from the point at which electricity from solar panels becomes cheaper than electricity generated by burning coal.

And if we priced coal-fired power right, taking into account the huge health and other costs it imposes, it’s likely that we would already have passed that tipping point.

But will our political system delay the energy transformation now within reach?

Let’s face it: a large part of our political class, including essentially the entire G.O.P., is deeply invested in an energy sector dominated by fossil fuels, and actively hostile to alternatives. This political class will do everything it can to ensure subsidies for the extraction and use of fossil fuels, directly with taxpayers’ money and indirectly by letting the industry off the hook for environmental costs, while ridiculing technologies like solar.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/07/opinion/krugman-here-comes-solar-energy.html



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2011 at 11:06
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

 
You do this all the time: you don't talk issues you play politics.  Then when you're called on it you get all disguisted and play victim.  I'm not calling you out on your consistently anti-republican political shill links/cartoon to defend republicans (lord knows i hate them too), no, it's simply because you can't get it through your skull that you're being one-sided.  Your past political posts read like a DNC pamphlet. 

I write issues that are political, so I'm playing politics.  When I get idiotic attacks from the likes of you I respond back and that's playing victim.  I am not consistently anti-republican or anti-libertarian, you however demonstrate a constant ability not to ever pay attention.  I don't hate republicans.  You can't win the argument on the issues when countered with a well thought out response to your position so you engage in personal attacks.  Geeze, talk about projection.  By they way, if you can put in a good word for me at the DNC, I'd love to earn some money in spare time writing pamphlets for them. Tongue
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You don't write about issues that are political.  You post about politics and avoid issues.  I've paid attention to you.  If you recall several of us used to respond to your political cartoon troll posts, in the libertarian thread, by addressing the real philosophical problems we had with your comic's substence.  What we got in return would be several days of silence followed up by another cartoon.  In the time I've posted in political threads here I've never found you to be willing to engage in discussion or even define/defend your core beliefs.
 
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

A good Paul Krugman editorial than I'm sure you will find a bunch of left-wing nonsense:

"For decades the story of technology has been dominated, in the popular mind and to a large extent in reality, by computing and the things you can do with it. Moore’s Law — in which the price of computing power falls roughly 50 percent every 18 months — has powered an ever-expanding range of applications, from faxes to Facebook."

...

"So it’s worth pointing out that special treatment for fracking makes a mockery of free-market principles. Pro-fracking politicians claim to be against subsidies, yet letting an industry impose costs without paying compensation is in effect a huge subsidy. They say they oppose having the government “pick winners,” yet they demand special treatment for this industry precisely because they claim it will be a winner.

And now for something completely different: the success story you haven’t heard about.

These days, mention solar power and you’ll probably hear cries of “Solyndra!” Republicans have tried to make the failed solar panel company both a symbol of government waste — although claims of a major scandal are nonsense — and a stick with which to beat renewable energy.

But Solyndra’s failure was actually caused by technological success: the price of solar panels is dropping fast, and Solyndra couldn’t keep up with the competition. In fact, progress in solar panels has been so dramatic and sustained that, as a blog post at Scientific American put it, “there’s now frequent talk of a ‘Moore’s law’ in solar energy,” with prices adjusted for inflation falling around 7 percent a year.

This has already led to rapid growth in solar installations, but even more change may be just around the corner. If the downward trend continues — and if anything it seems to be accelerating — we’re just a few years from the point at which electricity from solar panels becomes cheaper than electricity generated by burning coal.

And if we priced coal-fired power right, taking into account the huge health and other costs it imposes, it’s likely that we would already have passed that tipping point.

But will our political system delay the energy transformation now within reach?

Let’s face it: a large part of our political class, including essentially the entire G.O.P., is deeply invested in an energy sector dominated by fossil fuels, and actively hostile to alternatives. This political class will do everything it can to ensure subsidies for the extraction and use of fossil fuels, directly with taxpayers’ money and indirectly by letting the industry off the hook for environmental costs, while ridiculing technologies like solar.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/07/opinion/krugman-here-comes-solar-energy.html

 
 
Based on the excerpts you posted this is a perfect case for deregulation.  There should be no special treatment for any industry.  There is no sector of the energy, or any other, industry that should be handed money, forcibly taken from us, by the government.  Return the market fuction to the energy industry and consumers will find the cheapest and most efficient ways to power their everyday lives. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2011 at 13:47
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I am not consistently anti-republican


Really?  I've been here almost six years, and I don't think I've ever seen you defend or applaud anything originated by Republicans.  Ron Paul doesn't count as far as I'm concerned.
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what's wrong with being consistently anti-Republican?
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