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goose 
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Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097 |
 Posted: September 13 2005 at 11:50 |
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So you don't actually have any basis other than your own tastes?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 12:36 |
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I repeat that these are not my own taste but everybody's taste.
i've never heard someone hearing my amp and saying it's less good than any other he heard before (at least for non-audiophile people). At worst, people who are completely indifferent to music (like most women i've notice) don't hear any diference cause they are not interested in music and so in sound. Except this category of persons, everybody who has heard my Jolida has been very impressed and now KNOWS THAT TUBE IS BETTER THAN solid state. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 12:37 |
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You're preaching to the choir here ... again. |
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goose
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 12:45 |
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Plenty of people on www.hydrogenaudio.org don't think so. There are a lot of people on that website who work with digital audio, and they prefer the sound to analogue. How do you know your taste is right? In four years I'll have a degree and I'll have listened to a lot of both... Edited by goose |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 12:49 |
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there's no right or wrong here (tube vs. digital). The only wrong thing is to say that ONLY one of those two technologies is good. I really like the sound of a good tube amp ... I'm not sure why, and I AM sure that it alters the sound of the original recording, but I like it. |
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goose
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:00 |
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It's just that some people are claiming that some things are objectively better than others, with only subjective evidence.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:00 |
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Yes, it's sujective. It's human. But we are human!
Like when you think that your fav prog band makes better or more inspired music than britney Spears.It's subjective also. Solid state amps also alter the music in their own way, making ham raspe in the highs... But they are better in the LOW and there are even excellent transistor amps that sound good in the highs. Like a "Cello" for example. But i wish you to have a HUGE budget (several ten thousands of euros), while this modest american amp does much better for only 1000 euros... Thats' all i'm saying Jolida 302 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:12 |
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How expensive are the replacement tubes?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:12 |
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This amp has changed my life.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:14 |
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With an intensive use (several hours of listening par day), you have to change the four big power tubes every 5 years. They cost about 30€ each; So it's make 120€.
The little ones have to be changed every ten years and cost about the same. |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:15 |
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My one is on repair for the moment
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:16 |
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I guess the little ones are 12ax7 preamp tubes and the big ones are EL83 ...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:18 |
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Here's the only tube I own: Inside my guitar amp.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:36 |
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It's EL34 actually. For the little i don't know.
Of course,like for the rest, there are differnt tubes which sounds different. Let's see a bigger picture of your amp? |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:39 |
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That's the complete amp ... in the form of a floorboard, with a speaker simulation circuit using a modified tube. (don't worry, it's analog
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:40 |
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Great!
are there pedals that i see? Edited by oliverstoned |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:43 |
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The amp uses digital modelling for the effects, guitar preamp simulation etc., and then routes the signal to the valve circuit which does the power amp simulation. The pedals are freely assignable to the effects - wah, distortion, volume, modulation ... you name it. Edited by MikeEnRegalia |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:44 |
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Technology has evolved in the field of guitar amps..
I'm impressed by the "programming pedals"! |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:46 |
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Of course the price of the flexibility is the use of digital modelling. But especially in this device I like the mix of digital and analog circuits. It really has the warmth of a tube power amp.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:51 |
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yes! the tube sound adds matter, weight, softness, precense, richness and fineness, etc...
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