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Man With Hat 
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 Posted: June 26 2019 at 23:02 |
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I think all votes matter in the presidential election regardless of location. |
It doesn't really. Aside from the fact that it's mostly a 5-8 swing state race for the electoral college, if you vote red and your state goes blue, your vote counts as much as the idiots who voted for Harambe in 2016.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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npjnpj
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 09:04 |
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Talking about throwing votes away: until you get rid of the electoral college, it's not democracy anyway.
Edited by npjnpj - June 27 2019 at 09:05
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npjnpj
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 09:20 |
By the way, massive blackouts lately: March 7th to June 15th: Venezuela blackout June 16th: Argentina, Paraguay, and Uruguay blackouts June 24th: Netherlands emergency communications blackout June 27th: Ben Gurion airport blackout,
all with unconfirmed causes.
Could there be a pattern here indicating possible testing scenarios?
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rushfan4
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 09:30 |
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I watched the entire debate and liked the responses from Delaney and Klobuchar the most. They clearly responded the closest to my beliefs of the batch.
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King of Loss
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 09:34 |
rushfan4 wrote:
I watched the entire debate and liked the responses from Delaney and Klobuchar the most. They clearly responded the closest to my beliefs of the batch.
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Another centrist/Third Way candidate will get crushed by Trump in a general election IMO.
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rushfan4
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 09:37 |
King of Loss wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
I watched the entire debate and liked the responses from Delaney and Klobuchar the most. They clearly responded the closest to my beliefs of the batch.
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Another centrist/Third Way candidate will get crushed by Trump in a general election IMO. |
Possibly, but if I have to choose between Sanders or Warren and Trump, I might hold my nose and choose Trump. I'll have to see what Biden has to say tonight but to date it makes me sad that he is the "best" option right now.
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King of Loss
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 10:27 |
rushfan4 wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
I watched the entire debate and liked the responses from Delaney and Klobuchar the most. They clearly responded the closest to my beliefs of the batch.
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Another centrist/Third Way candidate will get crushed by Trump in a general election IMO. |
Possibly, but if I have to choose between Sanders or Warren and Trump, I might hold my nose and choose Trump. I'll have to see what Biden has to say tonight but to date it makes me sad that he is the "best" option right now.
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There's no chance I'm gonna vote for Drumpf unless someone named Adolf was on the ballot too.
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npjnpj
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 10:47 |
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I think it's quite on the cards that a majority of those whose motto was: 'anyone but Swampy Hillary' and got a male Super-Swampy Hillary instead will be switching to: 'anyone but Trump'.
Edited by npjnpj - June 27 2019 at 10:49
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King of Loss
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 10:51 |
npjnpj wrote:
I think it's quite on the cards that a majority of those whose motto was: 'anyone but Swampy Hillary' and got a male Super-Swampy Hillary instead will be switching to: 'anyone but Trump'.
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I really doubt it. People think that Drumpf talks to them as he uses the language of the common man. They think the Dems are some kind of elitist, sushi-loving, tofu-eating, Volvo-driving commie organization.
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npjnpj
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 10:58 |
Could be, could be. I can dream.
By the way, the Supreme Court has just gazorked the effort to stop gerrymandering 5 to 4. Congratulations! Someone give that Kavenough man a(nother) beer.
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micky
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 11:21 |
^ you really should listen more than talk....
let me ask you a s question.. you know what gerrymandering is I suppose... but do you know how it really works.. and what it's inherent fatal flaw is. Curious if you, for that decision has become a lot less impactful for several different reasons.
Two big decisions today and as I see them.. both were correctly made.. and forget Kavanaugh..seroiously man.. I'd wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire but it is was Roberts.. the new pragmatic swing vote that decided each of those cases today.
Edited by micky - June 27 2019 at 11:23
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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npjnpj
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 11:39 |
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Everyone knows by now what Gerrymandering is: it's when you take blue votes and paint them red.
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Easy Money
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 11:44 |
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^ Either party can gerrymander a map, its been more of a republican thing lately, but it can always swing the other way.
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Help the victims of the russian invasion:
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446
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npjnpj
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 11:49 |
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True, but still undemocratic either way.
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King of Loss
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 11:50 |
npjnpj wrote:
True, but still undemocratic either way.
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I don't think having a two party system is remotely democratic...
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npjnpj
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 11:57 |
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How so?
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BaldJean
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 12:01 |
rushfan4 wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
I watched the entire debate and liked the responses from Delaney and Klobuchar the most. They clearly responded the closest to my beliefs of the batch.
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Another centrist/Third Way candidate will get crushed by Trump in a general election IMO. |
Possibly, but if I have to choose between Sanders or Warren and Trump, I might hold my nose and choose Trump. I'll have to see what Biden has to say tonight but to date it makes me sad that he is the "best" option right now.
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I no longer can vote in US-elections, but no matter what, my vote would most definitely not go to Trump. he is the worst US-president ever
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 A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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micky
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 12:03 |
npjnpj wrote:
True, but still undemocratic either way.
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which answers my question as I thought it would.. no problem of course.. you ain't a Yank and most here really don't know it really works so no foul.
2018 showed the limits of gerrymandering.. and the way to beat it... it presupposes voter apathy on the other side and max turnout for yours to succeed. See each district has to encompass a certain number of voters... whatever it is now.. 147k for some reason sticks out in my mind (on my 4th beer of the day so excuse me for not knowing that off the top of my addled mind)
and where are most democratic votes at.. yep.. urban.. so the key to gerrymandering HAD been to stack Republican suburbs with democratic urban areas to 'take out' large percentages of those urban voters.
that is the problem of course.. and gerrymandering did not prevent the landslide of 2018.. in fact it did as much to bring it on.. when those marginally GOP districts either don't get out and vote, or are overwhelemed by larger than usual urban turnout.. or the worse case for them as we saw in 2018 .. the suburbs themselves turn blue. The gerrymandering GOP are sort of screwed.
anyhow.. just a nice lesson on how it really works... and why it is simply not the issue it had been in the past.. for note also.. the massive gains by Democrats at the state and local level in the last few years, and presumeably to be continued in 2020 that will be in charge of redistricting in 2020.
the court really did make the right decision here though.. it is not the place of the courts to decide this.. the solution is a much more direct one. get your ass off the couch and f**king vote
same as term limits.. the last refuge of the cynical and lazy. you hold the vote and the key to term limits.
Edited by micky - June 27 2019 at 12:04
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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micky
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 12:28 |
so anyone watch the debates last night and have any thoughts...
my quicky thoughts.. in order of epithany
1) the Gods hate us for not putting BdB and Biden on the same stage... sure he's likely a flake as most NY'rs are.. but what a tiger. Highly impressed... still zero chance in hell
2) Warren showed why she is skyrocketing up the polls and is my odds on favorite to win the nomination. More centrist than Bernie.. more progressive than Biden.. and a very engaging speaker who connects well with an audience. A rare trait for scholar/academic type
3) the Beto take down... the clear winner last night was not Warren.. she didn't need to win it .. the winner was to have been one of the afterthoughts who came to fore.. easily Castro.. curious to see how much he bumps up. LIkely may have bought himself a VP offer with that preformance
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micky
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Posted: June 27 2019 at 12:39 |
example A of what I am talking about... I would bet my paycheck that 8 of 10 in that auditorium left there converted... as i've been saying what is the rarest trait today in politics. authenticity.. honesty... ideals and vision.
she drips it.. and a good reminder she is not a career politician. Nice to see I have war wounds older than her time spent in politics.. very much.. ummm.. an anti-Hillary
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/04/22/hillaryd-combating-sexism-politics-elizabeth-warren-town-hall-sot-vpx.cnn
Edited by micky - June 27 2019 at 12:41
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