The American Politics Thread

I was being facetious about clowns, I get you meant it metaphorically.   Those things don't matter to me either--  why should they, they're irrelevant.   It's not his manner.   It's not his pettiness or bragging or rudeness, though that is being kind to Trump.   It's that there is something wrong psychologically with him.   Now, there may be something wrong with every human being on some level, but where I'm from, Trump just ain't quite right in the head.   And yes that concerns me, him being president and all.

Thanks for the clarification.  I'm not thin-skinned, if it was aimed at my opinion, I wouldn't take offense.  But thank you all the same.

I get it; I have a friend or two who are staunchly anti-Trump.  The man makes them absolutely livid half the time.  Part of it (both the livid anti-Trump camp and the rabid adorers who think he does no wrong) is media influence.  This is another fundamental topic with which I actually agree with Trump as well - the idea of "fake news" -- because let's face it, we are overwhelmed with data which is not intended to inform, but to shape thought into a particular pattern.  Propaganda.  It is pervasive, and a very fascinating subject all on its own.

It does bother me that there is so little objective reporting of facts, and so much that is purposely crafted to shape thought.  And people eat it up, on both sides.  You have to be constantly vigilant for it too, not just because of the sophistication and subtlety of the mental bombardment, but also the frequency.

Trump is right to point it out.  But obviously he uses it to his advantage as well.  The influence of the media, entertainment industry, even academia - is fairly pervasive.  Almost a total encapsulation.  It's ultimately dehumanizing, in my opinion.

I don't even know if anything positive can be done about it, other than being aware that it not only exists (and trying to guard against regurgitating whatever it is we ingest), but trying to remain free-thinkers in spite of it. 

Agreed that it is potentially dangerous; but disagree that it is juvenile.  I feel it is the wisest choice.

Why do you think it is juvenile, or what alternative would you suggest?  If countries were just and equitable, maybe that would nullify my argument - but they aren't.  Some are, but some are hostile and some are weak and at the mercy of other, stronger nations.

Hence my support for national sovereignty - the idea that countries can pursue their own best interests, and work together (or try to) to find equity and fairness in their dealings with one another, as challenging and complicated as that may be.

But seriously now, why is it juvenile?  I see the "I'm tougher than you and can beat you up" mentality that could develop from it, but it isn't necessarily an inherent aspect, nor is it an inevitable consequence.

We can be responsible and peaceful, even if we are the strongest.  And frankly, it just seems wiser to me to be stronger (and risk becoming a bully or predatory), than to be weaker (and risk the threat of being beat-up or oppressed).

We must differ on that fundamental, but that's okay.  We both like prog-rock, so it's all good.  

Globalism poses the biggest threat to America's sovereignty.  Centralized, world government threatens everyone's sovereignty.   The threat arises from both sides of Congress.  From within American government,  globalist republicans and democrats pose a greater threat than any single country in the world.    That's why the Globalists hate Trump.  Trump took a dump on the globalist gravy train.   That's what Brexit's about.  EU globalists leaders like Mccron and Merkle despise national sovereignty and they hate Trump and they hate their own citizens.  While nationalists like Nigel Farage, Hungary's Orban, and Italy's Salvini befriend Trump.     

Old fashion globalists used World War in a vain attempt to rule the World.  The modern way is to flood countries with poor immigrants.   Globalist use the immigrants to throttle their own citizen's. The recent wave of Nationalist victories in EU elections is a reaction to a relentless flood of immigrants. If the French become a minority in France, than France isn't France anymore.  A country is more than a name. A country is their people.   That's the main reason France yellow-jackets protested for 6 months strait, while Mccron's approval rating tanks to 20%.  Trump's approval has risen to 48%, after 3 years of 90% negative media coverage on Trump.   Trump doesn't want to start a war.  Trump want's every country to be sovereign.  Nationalists want local rule... not One World government.   Let everyone mind their own business and rule themselves.