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ExittheLemming 
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 Posted: December 07 2009 at 07:53 |
 Atkingani wrote:
crimson87 wrote:
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BTW the first video of mine , the keeper was Carlos "Chiquito" Bossio from Estudiantes de la Plata.
Congrats to all Liga de Quito fans* for becoming the Copa Sudamericana champions
* And Flamengo fans as well |
Not yet, not yet... we have one last game to perform! My heart is threatening to escape from my mouth!!! 
As for LDU, my dear Teo, the T, does not want to talk about football for one entire year since he supports their eternal rivals in Ecuador!  But congratulations for LDU!!!  |
What about now? Flu fans have to dig a hole in the ground and not appear for a month more or less.
In spite of being the most popular team in Brasil ( most popular in the world as well?) I never saw Flamengo win any league championship or Libertadores due to age matters.
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FLAMENGO is the Brazilian Champion! The last round finished just minutes ago.... 
EDIT: not to shock our European and North American friends here, in the Southern Hemisphere the sport year, the school year, etc, coincide with civil year.  |
Kudos to Flamengo for their first title in 17 years.  I was however rather surprised at the pre-match comments made by a Gremio player vis a vis the ramifications of victory by the visitors helping their hated rivals Internacional pip Flamengo for the title: Talented playmaker Souza makes the situation clear: "No Gremio
player wants to be remembered by our supporters for helping
Internacional to win a title. I'm only going to make an effort to win
if our president asks me to."Don't get me wrong, this does not undermine Flamengo's achievement in any shape or form. I love derby rivalries as they help spice up leagues all over the world and even when the outcome means squat, are always special matches that can enrich a season even for those clubs who fail to win any silverware etc but I would be interested to hear your views on this Atkingani, i.e. can local rivalries become counter productive to the good of the game an even undermine fair competition ?
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Posted: December 07 2009 at 09:56 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
crimson87 wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
crimson87 wrote:
BTW the first video of mine , the keeper was Carlos "Chiquito" Bossio from Estudiantes de la Plata.
Congrats to all Liga de Quito fans* for becoming the Copa Sudamericana champions
* And Flamengo fans as well |
Not yet, not yet... we have one last game to perform! My heart is threatening to escape from my mouth!!!
As for LDU, my dear Teo, the T, does not want to talk about football for one entire year since he supports their eternal rivals in Ecuador! But congratulations for LDU!!! |
What about now? Flu fans have to dig a hole in the ground and not appear for a month more or less.
In spite of being the most popular team in Brasil ( most popular in the world as well?) I never saw Flamengo win any league championship or Libertadores due to age matters.
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FLAMENGO is the Brazilian Champion! The last round finished just minutes ago....
EDIT: not to shock our European and North American friends here, in the Southern Hemisphere the sport year, the school year, etc, coincide with civil year. |
Kudos to Flamengo for their first title in 17 years. I was however rather surprised at the pre-match comments made by a Gremio player vis a vis the ramifications of victory by the visitors helping their hated rivals Internacional pip Flamengo for the title:
Talented playmaker Souza makes the situation clear: "No Gremio player wants to be remembered by our supporters for helping Internacional to win a title. I'm only going to make an effort to win if our president asks me to."
Don't get me wrong, this does not undermine Flamengo's achievement in any shape or form. I love derby rivalries as they help spice up leagues all over the world and even when the outcome means squat, are always special matches that can enrich a season even for those clubs who fail to win any silverware etc but I would be interested to hear your views on this Atkingani, i.e. can local rivalries become counter productive to the good of the game an even undermine fair competition ?
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Souza and other players did not start or were even bench yesterday. Gremio's mixed team played fairly and the win was hard to be achieved.
Local rivalries are obviously counter productive to the fairness of the game and weird things happen and will continue to happen. It's possible that next year all last round games will be derbies... and I hope that this feature could fix some deviations.
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crimson87
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Posted: December 19 2009 at 13:39 |
Estudiantes de La Plata (ELP for short) played an heroic match against "best team in the world" big money barcelona , sadly enough they lost 2-1 with a winning goal by Leo Me$$i who always manages to be Argentina's public enemy number one footballwise.
This proves once more that football players are overrated because Estudiantes startup is worth 35m euros while the "spanish" team was worth 1285m euros and they are paid obsene wages. If the non european clubs had enough money to keep their best players we would win by a landslide. So unfair...
And I'm not even an Estudiantes fan.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: December 20 2009 at 09:09 |
crimson87 wrote:
Estudiantes de La Plata (ELP for short) played an heroic match against "best team in the world" big money barcelona , sadly enough they lost 2-1 with a winning goal by Leo Me$$i who always manages to be Argentina's public enemy number one footballwise.
This proves once more that football players are overrated because Estudiantes startup is worth 35m euros while the "spanish" team was worth 1285m euros and they are paid obsene wages. If the non european clubs had enough money to keep their best players we would win by a landslide. So unfair...
And I'm not even an Estudiantes fan. |
Although I agree with this and do empathise, it's the same situation even internally for most countries domestic clubs i.e. I would imagine that the cream of the Argentinian talent from the 2nd division are bought up by the bigger clubs like Boca, River Plate, Estudiantes, Banfield, Lanus etc As you can imagine the clubs such players leave could be forgiven for thinking 'what might have been' were they able to hold on to all their best players.
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Posted: December 20 2009 at 18:23 |
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Exactly.. And Barcelona has proved time and again that IT IS the best team in the world... and the mosty successful in one season EVER.
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crimson87
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Posted: December 20 2009 at 20:02 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
Although I agree with this and do empathise, it's the same situation even internally for most countries domestic clubs i.e. I would imagine that the cream of the Argentinian talent from the 2nd division are bought up by the bigger clubs like Boca, River Plate, Estudiantes, Banfield, Lanus etc As you can imagine the clubs such players leave could be forgiven for thinking 'what might have been' were they able to hold on to all their best players.
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 Banfield , Lanus and Estudiantes big teams??!! WTF
Traditionally , there are 5 big teams in Argentina (los cinco grandes)
- River Plate ( Most local championships won)
- Boca Juniors (most popular team , and the one that most international championships won behind Independiente)
- Independiente (Most international championships won being the only one in the contintent that has 7 Copa Libertadores and alongside Boca Juniors and River Plate , the only team that never played in second division) This is the team I support BTW
- Racing Club ( First argentinian world club champion in 1967 and the most loyal supporters in the country they are also Independiente's classic rivals)
- San Lorenzo ( the only difference between them and the other 4 big teams is that they never won Copa Libertadores)
Estudiantes is the argentinean equivalent to Notingham Forest more or less.Lanus and Banfield are classic rivals and they didn't have any championships until a few years ago. Banfield being the champion right now.
There are disscusions in Argentina trying to establish who is the sixth big team:
- Huracan: San Lorenzo's classic rival , quite a popular club in Buenos Aires but they are broken and they won just a championship from 1930 to now
- Rosario Central and Newell's old Boys: Those two are classic rivals being from the same city (Rosario) they are also the most popular teams outside Buenos Aires
- Velez Sarsfield: Has one of the best stadiums and it's a very well managed club. They became World club champions in 1994 beating AC Milan. However , they are not very popular
- Estudiantes de La Plata: Behind Independiente and Boca Juniors, this is the argentinean club with more international championships. 4 Copa Libertadores and World club champions in 1968 beating Man U in Old Trafford.
Such an unnecesary long response
Edited by crimson87 - December 20 2009 at 20:07
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Posted: December 20 2009 at 21:36 |
Isn't Banfield a recent surprise, C87? And I think that Lanus made the news some years ago, no? On the other side, here in Brazil, we always considered Estudiantes a great team/club.
And wasn't Racing that had huge financial problems years ago too?
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Posted: December 22 2009 at 11:19 |
Yeah , Banfield won the championship a couple of weeks ago. They played effective (but unatractive) football. Their classic rival Lanus , playing a more offensive style won the championship a year ago. Estudiantes is big in terms of tournaments won , but is not as popular as the other 5 big teams , most of their supporters come from La Plata while the big clubs have supporters all over the country.
Racing had (and has) HUGE financial problems. In 1998 they went into bankruptcy and if it weren't for a law our president (Menem) at that time approved they would have to start all again from the lowest division in Argentina. Luckily for their fans , none of this happened and with the help of outer sources of financing Racing became champion in 2001 after 35 years. However the club has been coping with relegation the last two seasons.
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Posted: December 28 2009 at 23:09 |
aww.. you guys lucky have a such great footbal team... my country's footbal team is suck...  i'll go for brazil or argentina... maradona give some different atmosfer to argentina. lets watch :D 
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 02:15 |
erzyhazel wrote:
aww.. you guys lucky have a such great footbal team... my country's footbal team is suck...
i'll go for brazil or argentina...
maradona give some different atmosfer to argentina. lets watch :D
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Yes we sometimes forget that not all countries have such a rich footy tradition. Indonesia currently sit 120th in the world rankings - that's above Vietnam and Malaysia at least. (I think prior to independence you were the 1st Asian nation to compete in a World Cup as Dutch East Indies ? ) However, I read that Indonesia have reached three Tiger Cup Finals 2000,2002,2004 but lost them all ! (So you must be getting better) Is Peter Withe (ex Aston Villa) still the national coach ?
Edited by ExittheLemming - December 29 2009 at 02:25
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 21:57 |
not anymore, Peter Withe couldn't bring us to success
It's Benny Dolo now...we're trying so hard to be better
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Posted: January 09 2010 at 15:20 |
African Cup of Nations... 
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: January 09 2010 at 19:16 |
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^ Truly a despicable and callously evil act. To attack athletes who are representative of a nation's talent and pride reeks of a wanton cruelty that only those with precisely squat to offer the world would ever attempt to camouflage as 'political revolution.'
Part of me wishes for the tournament to still go ahead, just to deliver a f*ck you message to the perpetrators but the safety of the public and the participants has to be paramount and common sense should dictate the event be cancelled.
I just hope this does not put the World Cup in South Africa into doubt ?
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Posted: January 15 2010 at 17:44 |
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Only a third of the available tickets have been sold until now, a disaster may be in the works.
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Posted: January 16 2010 at 14:49 |
I think that for a World Cup to enjoy success it must take place in Europe:
- Most teams in WC are European
- Short distances between countries
- Plenty of inmigrants can support their team
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Posted: January 16 2010 at 14:53 |
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The USA WC Cup from 1994 was the most succesful WC up to that day, so I don't necessarily agree.
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Posted: January 16 2010 at 19:25 |
^The US being an exception to the rule since they are the most powerful country in the world and have many inmigrants from different countries. But succesful in which terms? Quality of football seen or no of tickets sold?
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Posted: January 16 2010 at 19:32 |
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Both. The football was very good, and the business was huge. But I agree with you on, the US might be an exception. How do you think the Brazilian EC will be from this point of view?
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Posted: January 16 2010 at 21:03 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
Both. The football was very good, and the business was huge. But I agree with you on, the US might be an exception. How do you think the Brazilian EC will be from this point of view? |
Since Brazilians love football I think 2014 will be a ticket-selling success; also being only 2-3 hours behind Europe and only 2-3 ahead North America (East Coast) it'll have a good TV audience.
Now, talking about the game, I really don't know... Anyway, there's a good chance of fine games: all of them will be played below 3,000 ft (~1,000 m), temperatures will be mild, attendance will be warm. Well, let's wait and see.
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Posted: January 16 2010 at 21:09 |
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It's hard to imagine that any WC tournament will ever be as bad as the 2002 was. That was looow... If the future tournaments will be like Germany 2006, I'll be satisfied.
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