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avalanchemaster 
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 Posted: July 10 2008 at 02:09 |
anybody have any other bands to add to my rather long lists????  or were there any comments or questions?
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 02:30 |
Ever heard of a band called Down I Go?I have been listening to them a lot lately,particularly their new album Tyrant and previous album This Is Disastercore.They are sort of an extreme/hardcore/avant hybrid with some jazz leanings.Awesome stuff!
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avalanchemaster
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 03:29 |
 TheProgtologist wrote:
Ever heard of a band called Down I Go?I have been listening to them a lot lately,particularly their new album Tyrant and previous album This Is Disastercore.They are sort of an extreme/hardcore/avant hybrid with some jazz leanings.Awesome stuff!
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thanks. bookmarked. will investigate more later....sounds curious so far. have you heard Lye By Mistake? check them out!
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 07:54 |
The T wrote:
BaldJean, I understand your point. But please: if you see the titile of this thread, is The Tech/Extreme Prog Metal APPRECIATION .... Now, if you scroll down the page before this, the "Prog Bands Artists and Genres Appreciation", you'll find two things in common: one, a lot of threads of APPRECIATION, and two, the word APPRECIATION itself in most of those threads and in the lounge's name..... So, wouldn't that give us a clue that what all these threads are for is to express APPRECIATION to bands or genres?
I (I will have to speak of myself now, but these applies to many, many other members) never go into APPRECIATION threads for bands or genres I don't like, unless is to ask for advice (like the post rock one... I'm trying to like the genre more...) I went to the Kayo Dot one as a joke, yes, as my original review of 2006's album was kind of polemical... and I also expressed my appreciation for their better (WAY better) 2008 album... If there was a Sigur Ros APPRECIATION thread, I would LOVE to go and express my "love"... but wouldn't that be considered flaming or trolling? And wouldn't that be inmature? Can't I live knowing that other people like what I dislike?
Please... create a thread called "I hate metal" or "I can't stand double bass drumming" or "Glen Gould a much better piano player than the guy in Negura Bunget"... We have other areas where those threads would be welcomed... here, well, these are APPRECIATION threads.... please. |
have you not read the post before yours? I did NOT criticize the genre at all, I merely remarked that the name "Tech" is misleading. what is so difficult about that?
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 08:27 |
BaldJean wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Well, I have to say that these bands fall into the same pit that some jazz-rock artists fell into before (Al DiMeola, for example).
First of all, the mere name "Tech Metal" is already misleading; technique is being confused with speed here. There are lots of other instrumental techniques than mere speed, many of which can NOT be used at high speed, or at least even if they can be used they lose their effect. This seems to be something which many people forget. Listen to an acoustic guitar piece by Steve Hackett; it much more deserves to be named "technical", even if it is a lot slower. Paganini could certainly play breathtakingly fast, but he got the most "awws" when he played slowly and used some other extraordinary techniques then. Read up on him if you don't believe me.
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As a rule of thumb, the difficulty of any piece of music increases with speed. Therefore if you try to group pieces by technical difficulty, this group is bound to contain more fast pieces than slow ones. However, of course it is true that slow parts can also be difficult to play. Having said that, most of the bands in Tech Metal don't play fast all the time ...
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I disagree about the rule of thumbs, Mike, and even have an excellent counter example from classical music: classical pianist Glenn Gould, whom many consider to be the greatest piano player of the 20th century, recorded Bach's Goldberg variations twice, once in his youth and once 26 years later. the second recording is much slower, but certainly not because he couldn't play fast anymore, and if you think it is less technical then you have no idea of piano playing. playing breathtakingly fast is the privilege of youth who think speed impresses; as you grow older expression impresses you a lot more.
on a side note: there do exist 4 recordings of the Goldberg variations by Gould now, but only 2 of them were published during his lifetime
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certainly playing slower is less technical. But if you play a piece much slower than usual it becomes more difficult to get the timing right. What confuses me though about your example is that at the end you switch from "technical" to "expression", which is an entirely different subject. And about this the tech/extreme genre in general: Let me emphasize once again that this isn't just about speed. Those bands don't play fast all the time. They also don't play technically demanding stuff all the time, without any pauses/breathing spaces.
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 14:26 |
avalanchemaster wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Ever heard of a band called Down I Go?I have been listening to them a lot lately,particularly their new album Tyrant and previous album This Is Disastercore.They are sort of an extreme/hardcore/avant hybrid with some jazz leanings.Awesome stuff!
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thanks. bookmarked. will investigate more later....sounds curious so far.
have you heard Lye By Mistake? check them out!
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Funny you should mention Lye By Mistake.I just got their album Arrangements for Fulminating Vective last week.Excellent band!
Ever heard of a band called Four Question Marks?
They sort of remind me of Meshuggah.Their new album Titan is extremely good.
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 14:56 |
BaldJean wrote:
The T wrote:
BaldJean, I understand your point. But please: if you see the titile of this thread, is The Tech/Extreme Prog Metal APPRECIATION .... Now, if you scroll down the page before this, the "Prog Bands Artists and Genres Appreciation", you'll find two things in common: one, a lot of threads of APPRECIATION, and two, the word APPRECIATION itself in most of those threads and in the lounge's name..... So, wouldn't that give us a clue that what all these threads are for is to express APPRECIATION to bands or genres?
I (I will have to speak of myself now, but these applies to many, many other members) never go into APPRECIATION threads for bands or genres I don't like, unless is to ask for advice (like the post rock one... I'm trying to like the genre more...) I went to the Kayo Dot one as a joke, yes, as my original review of 2006's album was kind of polemical... and I also expressed my appreciation for their better (WAY better) 2008 album... If there was a Sigur Ros APPRECIATION thread, I would LOVE to go and express my "love"... but wouldn't that be considered flaming or trolling? And wouldn't that be inmature? Can't I live knowing that other people like what I dislike?
Please... create a thread called "I hate metal" or "I can't stand double bass drumming" or "Glen Gould a much better piano player than the guy in Negura Bunget"... We have other areas where those threads would be welcomed... here, well, these are APPRECIATION threads.... please. |
have you not read the post before yours? I did NOT criticize the genre at all, I merely remarked that the name "Tech" is misleading. what is so difficult about that?
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Mmm... But it is an established name that is being used on this website for a few months now.. (actually... more than 6 or 7 if I'm not wrong).... And if you choose an APPRECIATION thread to comment on that name which you think is incorrect, what impression do you think that gives us? You could have said something about the "tech" name in a thread months ago when the sub-genre was established.... or even now, you could create a specific thread for the subject in the prog lounge area... but, and you know it, coming to the APPRECIATION thread to do that is quite... say, out of place... 
Edited by The T - July 10 2008 at 14:59
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avalanchemaster
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 15:28 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
avalanchemaster wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Ever heard of a band called Down I Go?I have been listening to them a lot lately,particularly their new album Tyrant and previous album This Is Disastercore.They are sort of an extreme/hardcore/avant hybrid with some jazz leanings.Awesome stuff!
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thanks. bookmarked. will investigate more later....sounds curious so far.
have you heard Lye By Mistake? check them out!
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Funny you should mention Lye By Mistake.I just got their album Arrangements for Fulminating Vective last week.Excellent band!
Ever heard of a band called Four Question Marks?
They sort of remind me of Meshuggah.Their new album Titan is extremely good. |
they are interesting, but I gotta admit, that Meshuggah sound is getting a little worn-out.....(it is so unique and novel that now everyone wants to cop some of that action....) my favorites for that style would be Octopus and Obsidian.....
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 19:07 |
The T wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
The T wrote:
BaldJean, I understand your point. But please: if you see the titile of this thread, is The Tech/Extreme Prog Metal APPRECIATION .... Now, if you scroll down the page before this, the "Prog Bands Artists and Genres Appreciation", you'll find two things in common: one, a lot of threads of APPRECIATION, and two, the word APPRECIATION itself in most of those threads and in the lounge's name..... So, wouldn't that give us a clue that what all these threads are for is to express APPRECIATION to bands or genres?
I (I will have to speak of myself now, but these applies to many, many other members) never go into APPRECIATION threads for bands or genres I don't like, unless is to ask for advice (like the post rock one... I'm trying to like the genre more...) I went to the Kayo Dot one as a joke, yes, as my original review of 2006's album was kind of polemical... and I also expressed my appreciation for their better (WAY better) 2008 album... If there was a Sigur Ros APPRECIATION thread, I would LOVE to go and express my "love"... but wouldn't that be considered flaming or trolling? And wouldn't that be inmature? Can't I live knowing that other people like what I dislike?
Please... create a thread called "I hate metal" or "I can't stand double bass drumming" or "Glen Gould a much better piano player than the guy in Negura Bunget"... We have other areas where those threads would be welcomed... here, well, these are APPRECIATION threads.... please. |
have you not read the post before yours? I did NOT criticize the genre at all, I merely remarked that the name "Tech" is misleading. what is so difficult about that?
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Mmm... But it is an established name that is being used on this website for a few months now.. (actually... more than 6 or 7 if I'm not wrong).... And if you choose an APPRECIATION thread to comment on that name which you think is incorrect, what impression do you think that gives us? You could have said something about the "tech" name in a thread months ago when the sub-genre was established.... or even now, you could create a specific thread for the subject in the prog lounge area... but, and you know it, coming to the APPRECIATION thread to do that is quite... say, out of place...
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This is more annoying than a marketing caller. I say let's hang up :)
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 19:50 |
Interesting.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 20:11 |
^^^^^^^
Who is that?
Has anyone ever heard of the Mod Flanders Conspiracy?Their music is a crazy mishmash of extreme metal/hardcore/math metal/death metal/jazz/funk and latin music.
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 21:12 |
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Lye By Mistake
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 21:22 |
Ahhhh...I got it as a digital download and don't have a cover image.
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 21:27 |
Found two Mod Flanders Conspiracy cds, will check them out tonight. Unless I put Lye By Mistake on repeat, hehe.
Oh and I really like Super-string Theory. They made it to the car, which is one of my highest honors.
Edited by Plankowner - July 10 2008 at 21:31
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 21:31 |
LBM are insane!As for Mod Flanders Conspiracy,I only have Take a Ride On My One Wheeled Rickshaw,listening to it now,as a matter of fact.
I need to recommend another band also..Persefone.
I recently added them to the archives in Tech/Extreme.Their latest album Core is very,very good.
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 21:34 |
It's been on my list for a week or two now. Still shopping around for it which means the only copies I've found are in the $20-30 range.
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 23:29 |
Plankowner wrote:
Oh and I really like Super-string Theory. They made it to the car, which is one of my highest honors.
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They've been approved. Expect them here soon!
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 23:33 |
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I almost added them this evening!
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Posted: July 11 2008 at 00:16 |
Hey! I just recently heard In Mourning and Textures, both fantastic bands. 
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Posted: July 11 2008 at 00:22 |
Well this Mod Flanders Conspiracy certainly caught me off guard. Wasn't ready for the emo vocal style at all  ... not a huge fan of emo style vocals... Went through a time where every new band I came across seemed to sound vocally the same, ie.. taproot, the used, (funny I seemed to have forgotten most of them heh), lostprophets, boy hits car .. etc. Same thing is why I seem to be resisting the Protest the Hero. Guess I was truamatized. This may be schizophrenic enough for me to enjoy, but will have to wait for the mood for it.
Quite a difference between "...turn the urn spill..." and "Take a Ride on my One-Wheeled Rickshaw" which is always a good thing. The latter is much better than the former.
Edited by Plankowner - July 11 2008 at 00:57
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