SR VII: It's extreme male brooding!

Henry Plainview wrote: I don't know, I'm not in your secret club. BUT MOVING ON Alex, I finally read the Wiki article for Atlas Shrugged (because I'm not going to read a book that long), and I would like to ask you a question: How does John Galt plunging the world into a massive depression, killing countless numbers of people, just to prove the point that he doesn't want to share his free energy not make Ayn Rand a bad person?

Counter question.

Let's say there is one person in the world with the skill to cure a wasting disease (spot the Rush song).  Let's say, AIDS.  It takes four hours per procedure for this individual to cure one person of AIDS, and costs him $1500 in resources and staff for each treatment.

Is that person obligated to cure people?

Is that person obligated to teach others how to cure it?

Is that person reasonable in expecting people to pay for either?

Look at me being all philosophical and sh*t.

Epignosis wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: I don't know, I'm not in your secret club. BUT MOVING ON Alex, I finally read the Wiki article for Atlas Shrugged (because I'm not going to read a book that long), and I would like to ask you a question: How does John Galt plunging the world into a massive depression, killing countless numbers of people, just to prove the point that he doesn't want to share his free energy not make Ayn Rand a bad person? Counter question. Let's say there is one person in the world with the skill to cure a wasting disease (spot the Rush song).  Let's say, AIDS.  It takes four hours per procedure for this individual to cure one person of AIDS, and costs him $1500 in resources and staff for each treatment. Is that person obligated to cure people? Is that person obligated to teach others how to cure it? Is that person reasonable in expecting people to pay for either? Look at me being all philosophical and sh*t.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Epignosis wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: I don't know, I'm not in your secret club. BUT MOVING ON Alex, I finally read the Wiki article for Atlas Shrugged (because I'm not going to read a book that long), and I would like to ask you a question: How does John Galt plunging the world into a massive depression, killing countless numbers of people, just to prove the point that he doesn't want to share his free energy not make Ayn Rand a bad person? Counter question. Let's say there is one person in the world with the skill to cure a wasting disease (spot the Rush song).  Let's say, AIDS.  It takes four hours per procedure for this individual to cure one person of AIDS, and costs him $1500 in resources and staff for each treatment. Is that person obligated to cure people? Is that person obligated to teach others how to cure it? Is that person reasonable in expecting people to pay for either? Look at me being all philosophical and sh*t.

What are you clapping for?  You don't even know my answer to those questions!

Okay, so maybe you do.  But still! 

Epignosis wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Epignosis wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: I don't know, I'm not in your secret club. BUT MOVING ON Alex, I finally read the Wiki article for Atlas Shrugged (because I'm not going to read a book that long), and I would like to ask you a question: How does John Galt plunging the world into a massive depression, killing countless numbers of people, just to prove the point that he doesn't want to share his free energy not make Ayn Rand a bad person? Counter question. Let's say there is one person in the world with the skill to cure a wasting disease (spot the Rush song).  Let's say, AIDS.  It takes four hours per procedure for this individual to cure one person of AIDS, and costs him $1500 in resources and staff for each treatment. Is that person obligated to cure people? Is that person obligated to teach others how to cure it? Is that person reasonable in expecting people to pay for either? Look at me being all philosophical and sh*t. What are you clapping for?  You don't even know my answer to those questions! Okay, so maybe you do.  But still!

I'm clapping because you make good logical arguments 99% of the time, even when you're drunk off your ass.

Fair enough Scott.

Edited by Henry Plainview - October 08 2009 at 16:08

Henry Plainview wrote: Some things go beyond profit, Rob. Did Jonas Salk become a millionaire?

Not everybody wants to work for profit.

Henry Plainview wrote: Alex, that is not what wiki said, that is the conclusion I drew from what I read. If he did not in fact engineer a depression like I read (and I also read other things so that may not have come from wiki) then I will stand corrected.

Well... to attempt to explain it as succinctly as possible, he basically was tired of working his ass off and watching increasing loads of people leeching off of everyone who decided to be diligent instead of taking the easy way out of everything. He stopped working on his invention for that reason, and convinced other like-minded people to quit innovating so that people would either be forced to learn to be more independent or suffer for making everyone else do everything for them (if there's no one to leech off of, people are then forced to accept the consequences).

That's an incredibly simplified and horrible explanation, but my brain is fried and I don't care to expand or alter anything.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: I think I'm gonna sacrifice listening to Epignosis for watching the Theusz Hamtaak Trilogie DVD. As much as I like Magma... fail. I beg your pardon? You should listen to Epignosis first, since you've been obligated to that longer, and because it's awesome.

If you need more time to build proper arguments, I can wait.

Ricochet wrote: I think I'm gonna sacrifice listening to Epignosis for watching the Theusz Hamtaak Trilogie DVD.

Good choice.

Although I need to BUY those DVDs.  I have the audio but not the visuals.

Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: I think I'm gonna sacrifice listening to Epignosis for watching the Theusz Hamtaak Trilogie DVD. As much as I like Magma... fail. I beg your pardon? You should listen to Epignosis first, since you've been obligated to that longer, and because it's awesome. If you need more time to build proper arguments, I can wait.

I was not being 100% serious; in the end, you can obviously do what you want. I've also never seen the Theusz Hamtaahk Trilogie DVD, unfortunately, but I have the audio CDs. And those are pretty good.

I just really enjoy Epignosis too.