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The Dark Elf 
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VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13203 |
 Posted: February 27 2019 at 19:04 |
I understand where you're coming from. But let's look at who was watching the Congressional hearing. It wasn't just the House Reps. Bob Mueller's office was tuned in, or one of the attorneys was sitting there recording the whole thing. You don't think Mueller isn't already completely aware of everything Cohen was testifying about? In November, Cohen made a plea deal with Mueller for lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow throughout the 2016 election cycle. I'm certain that in the multiple several hour interviews Cohen had with Mueller's staff that every one of his assertions was fact checked. The Trump Tower issue has been proven to have happened by more than one source and by actual physical evidence. But Trump lied in tweets and during the campaign and while president. Many times. Over and over again. In print and in person. How many times have you heard the words "I have no business with Russia" come out of his mouth? And it was an incontrovertible lie. So, if Trump lied so blatantly about dealings with Russia, he certainly lied about paying off a porn star during the election. The only time Trump tells the truth is when he just blurts stuff out like firing Comey over "that Rusher thing". Let's look at the number of Trump associates guilty of lying: Manafort Flynn Papadoplous Gates van der Zwaan Cohen and Stone currently in court. Trump hires liars. A person doesn't congregate with people who don't reflect their values, or lack thereof. It is clear Trump is a sociopath and narcissist. No conscience. No ethics or morality except for ones of convenience (I mean, really, do you think Trump actually cares about abortions? Or coal miners? Or a wall?). |
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65550 |
Posted: February 27 2019 at 19:09 |
I never pegged you as a Trump supporter. My reaction to you (in the past) was about my dislike of reactionary negativity. I don't take well to the "How can you morons have elected a Donald Trump-- You're doomed!" kind of stuff. Strikes me as useless and trollish. But don't mind me, you're more than welcome to post. You've got balls, I'll say that. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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micky
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: February 27 2019 at 19:10 |
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really nothing surprising came of his testimony I must say. The vast majority, the lies, payoffs, att that jazz have been long suspected and indirectly already confirmed the the DOJ. As we talked about before.. you don't go after the President of the United States based on the word of one person.. they obviously have hard evidence and multiple sources confirming what Cohen told them. What we heard today is proably only the tip of the iceburg for you best believe he was directed what NOT to say as it would affect an ongoing case.
however I must say the most interesting tidbit of what he did say is confirmed what you read here.. and others strongly suspected. He never intended to be President.. this was all a big PR/branding stunt that got out of his control.. or his ego's ability to say.. whoa... thus the poor sh*t and is almost easy to feel sorry for him, for he is going to lose everything out of this.. found it impossible to come clean and has built years of lies and lies for as Cohen so nailed.. he was never supposed to win... thus all of this would be soon forgottten and never followed up upon. umm hmmm see Webster entry for Catastrphophic Success (© Micky 2016) and you will find a picture of of Trump in a prison jumpsuit.. but don't forget the subnote b to see (Repubican Party (1854 - 2032) what a disaster he has been for that party.. though it couldn't have happened to worse group of people haha
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: February 27 2019 at 19:12 |
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Darkelf: I agree, but why on earth bother to bring in Cohen to testify about something Muller can prove anytime? Cohen's testimony just muddies the waters. They'd have been better off without him.
Edited by npjnpj - February 27 2019 at 19:14 |
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: February 27 2019 at 19:19 |
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It will always amaze me that Trump accepted the nomination, apparently never expecting for him, his shady associates, and his business dealings to be probed. Had he been sensible, he'd have gone and hidden under a
blanket until it all blows over. What a dunce! |
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micky
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: February 27 2019 at 19:20 |
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why you ask? Easy
this was as I said. .. much to to do about nothing. It was political theater.. and was nothing that wasn't already known already especially taken into account what is known about the DOJ and their 'person of interest' and soon to be indicted President of the United States. this was all about the show.. politics... what really matters however... is the legal end of this. The Democrats are not going to impeach him.. that is akin to taking a baseball bat to a baby seal alone out of the ice. Sure it might be a mercy .. but god help you once the leftists hear of it. Same with Trump.. he is dead man walking.. why impeach him and do him a favor and make it politcal and politize it.. when the very reaspected and apolitical DOJ.. whom only idiot Trump supporters think is partisan or political will do hard work for them at zero poltical cost other than offending a few radical lefties who want to impeach Trump now.. Pelosi is too smart to let that happen. But this was a show that was too good to pass up...
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: February 28 2019 at 01:33 |
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Atavachron: I've been thinking about what you said, and yes, I'm afraid I have to admit that you've got a point
there, although what you describe was never my intention. My problem seems to be that my observations about what's going on in the USA has me wildly swinging between anger and amusement. I think that when those two intersect, I tend to come across the way you describe. That's regrettable and I apologize to everyone, and I'll do my best to avoid that in future. |
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10676 |
Posted: March 06 2019 at 10:59 |
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Someone worth checking out for the 2020 election, Sherrod Brown, this is the person who could get the working people's vote back from t-rump. He won re-election in Ohio during the same election that saw t-rump carry the state.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/as-unions-awaken-to-renewed-political-clout-sherrod-brown-hopes-to-benefit-100000104.html Edited by Easy Money - March 06 2019 at 11:01 |
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Triceratopsoil
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Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
Posted: March 06 2019 at 12:09 |
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even if the democrats would nominate an old white man, that would be the biggest blowout election in decades (in Trump's favor)
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micky
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: March 06 2019 at 17:17 |
also noted as as long predicted... looks like Texas will be in play in 2020...Beto 2018 obviously NOT a blip on the radar.. note even HRC cut the Obama 2012 losing deficit in half in 2016... that can be, and you heard it here first, will be the death nell of the Republican Party. See California for the what the demographic changes and how badly the Republican Party have played them for what is coming for Texas. They lose it, and they are, the Republicans lose any realistic path to the White House and become a de facto rump regional party. until they blow up the party that is.. and stop being the Republican Party. Best do it before a 3rd party comes and takes their place at the 2 party table. One that has national appeal, broad appeal, not just reliance on playing White Identity bigoted politics of fear.
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micky
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: March 06 2019 at 17:28 |
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and yeah John.. watch Sherrod. He is my dark horse in that race.. and considering the bloodbath that will take place among the front runners.. I think that makes him in fact.. the betting favorite to be our next President.
That and his unique ability to appeal both to the left and center.. and the working classes... even more than Biden.. he is far more Trump's worst nightmare. He gets landsllid if facing him... he loses all of the rust belt.. Florida.. and yes.. perhaps Texas and some of the upper midwest considering how Trump's trade war is really starting to hurt. Never mind that idiot above.. see he crawled out from his rock... would be the biggest electoral landslide since 84.
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10676 |
Posted: March 06 2019 at 17:49 |
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The election will probably come down to Florida, Ohio, Michigan Pennsylvania, Minnesota and Wisconsin. Someone who only takes the coasts will not be able to win, it takes some of that north mid-west to deliver a winner.
And yes, Texas and Georgia may be next. I know Texas very well and it is far different from Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas and the rest of the south. If anything, Texas is more similar to California. |
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micky
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: March 06 2019 at 18:11 |
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just a couple decades behind it... but it is changing .. and changing quickly... it is a literall flood of the young and well educated whites into it.. to say nothing of the growing hispanic share of the vote.
I suspect by the 2030's Texas will look very similar to California.. com;letely and rock solid blue. thus .. my earlier 2032 prediction of the death of the Repubican Party.Losing it dooms that party to national irrelevance... no path to the White House, little chance to take back the House... and only decent chance to remain in contention (on good years.. ie bad Democratic) to have a majority in the Senate. It will br interesting to see what happens first the implosion of the Democratic.. or Republican Parties. My money is on the Democratic one..that civil war is coming.. and fast... but won't be a reason for the right to celebrate... for that will be the final nail in the coffin for the Republicans as it will create a large middle .. moderate.. that neither party serves.. and that moderate 3rd party.. will push out the already dying Republican Party. Not a betting man.. but I would put large sums on that playing out in the next decade or so...
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10676 |
Posted: March 06 2019 at 18:41 |
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^ If anything brings down the Dems it will be the shrill no-compromise coastal types. In San Francisco's local politics, there is a constant struggle between the Dems that know how to govern and the strict ideology types who lack common sense, but don't lack megaphones ("The people united shall never be defeated" etc).
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micky
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Posted: March 06 2019 at 18:54 |
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I agree with you in essence but wouldn't exactly phrase it that way... yes there is a large wing of that party that has seen what no compromise gets you.. and also seen what being responsible and compromsing gets you.
one has won elections.. far above it's realisitic abilty to do so.. for angry voters are motivated voters and get out to vote. the other.. more apathetic and they have lost elections. it isn't as much about teh Democratic Party being brought down... it is a big tent now.. I don't see it lasting much longer due to the highly energized and very angry (and both Repubicans and moderate Democrats) unlike the far right.. the far left is inclusive diverse.. and growing... that split won't kill the Democratic Party the way the already completed spliit of the Repubican Party will for their base... is dying off.. the Democratic base is only now being to become ascendent.. I did read a recent poll that nearly 40 per cent all ALL youth under 21 identify them as a left wing, progressive. Their time is going to come and they will have what is left of the Democratic Party after they push out the pragmatic, moderate and yes.. corporate democrats. where they go... along with those already pushed out of the Republican Party.. that is going to be the #1 political story of the mid 21st century. In my strong opinon... they form a true and professional (unlike the kiddie Libertarians which is more comeditic than truly serious) and that will and most likely surely will push out the Republicans.. and those bible beaters, bigots and nativists.. dying off anyone.. but they will have what is left of that party and perhaps they still elect some handful of (now 3rd party) Senator from the Deep South. .but that will the extent of what power that party will have nationally... unless they blow up the Repubican Party and it's 50 year approach to fear, racism and white identity poltics, and start anew.. but as we see today.. there is zero sence... NADDA.. NEGATORY.. backbone, foresight or big picture thinking left in that party. All they care about are protecting their gravy train jobs and not alienating the very meatheads that elected them.. not just a vicious circle.. a long term fatal circle for the party nationally.
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10676 |
Posted: March 06 2019 at 19:02 |
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^ A lot of good points there, the only thing I would correct is that Hillary didn't lose the election because she is a supposed moderate, or any other political stance. She lost because she is an unlikable person who was also under investigation at the time. I think anyone could have beat her.
She also lost because it became apparent the DNC rigged her nomination. Edited by Easy Money - March 06 2019 at 19:03 |
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IVNORD
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Joined: December 13 2006 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1191 |
Posted: March 06 2019 at 20:09 |
If they, the progressive (what a usurpation of the term as in reality they're rather regressive) ever do push out the pragmatic and moderate, the Democratic party will become a bunch of ignorant jerks like AOC. And if, god forbid, they ever come to power then the country will become a huge venezuela. But this is a very unlikely scenario since Das Kapital will never let these people take control. As a neo-Marxist, you know what Das Kapital is Micky, don't you?
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progaardvark
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Posted: March 07 2019 at 07:06 |
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Or are you just jealous because she has an asteroid named after her?
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micky
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Posted: March 07 2019 at 17:42 |
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well so much for Sherrod Brown... I would love to know why he decided not to run. He may not have been a front runner... but all those front runners have serious questions about and around them in terms of winning the nomination... too old and too white.. too liberal and not exactly warm and fuzzy.. hotter than hell but perhaps too inexperienced.. he really didn't have a weakness. And could have, and likely would have been last man standing and best 2nd choice of the supporters of the other frontrunners if they fell out.
I wouldn't think the partisan fear of losing the Ohio Senate seat to the GOP in an election where it may be the difference or not of controlling the Senate would be enough to sway him (thought it did keep HRC from selecting him for the VP slot). Curious what he knows that we haven't seen yet...
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Easy Money
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Posted: March 07 2019 at 18:24 |
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^ Could be a money issue, maybe the insiders already have their favorite picked out.
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