The Prog Mind

Panta rei. It's a phylosopher who said it.

octopus-4 wrote: Panta rei. It's a phylosopher who said it.

A philosopher also said "Oh man, have I've got the munchies..." (probably)

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Edited by JoeFerguson - June 04 2013 at 13:49

tszirmay wrote: Dean wrote: I may not know much about philosophy but that is bloody terrible maths.   15.5/20 is 77.5% no matter how badly you do the sums.   Little wonder philosophers never achieve anything. it was 38 years ago and i am still lousy in math, which probably makes me a moron in your eyes (i know I already was, Dean) but your ungracious comment about not achieving anything deserves a strong rebuke, as i am not a philosopher but a career restaurant industry businessman, so I do know how to count. I have 5 children and recently a grandfather, I think that is quite an achievement. Oh, and one last thing, I left chronic sarcasm behind a long time ago.....

moshkito wrote: presdoug wrote: ... Most people understand that the future that we encounter will be one of change. But change always begets change. It's exponential, really. Things will start changing quicker than we can even fathom at this point. It will be overwhelming.   Wait until you see your childrem, all of a sudden 35 years old or something like it!   It's not really "change" ... it's evolution! And sometimes I think this is what we don't "get" in progressive music ... it's not about "time changes" and what not (like rock'n'roll and a lot of jazz music IS!), but about the evolution of the music, be it a theme, lyrics or otherwise. And this applies better to all the music we love, than the word "changes" ever will!

That's interesting, moshkito, thanks.

presdoug wrote: progbethyname wrote: presdoug wrote: TODDLER wrote: It's so private for me. I don't want anyone to witness me listening to King Crimson's Islands. I don't want their opinion or reaction as to why Boz sounds cheesy singing "Beneath the winter waves" or their sarcastic comments about the music not fitting to the times we are now living in. A majority of people in society constantly place emphasis on that and it's annoying. What physically and emotionally fell into place on the day Boz recorded the vocals for Islands is timeless in it's own right. I must have a certain mind set to even hear it.  White Willow has the same affect lyrically and the listening pleasure must be private and isolated....because I've noticed most people cringing at the sound of it. It's as if you end up answering a thousand questions if you broadcast the music in your living room while friends are over, put into a position to defend it and judged. If my kids hear Art Zoyd or Univers Zero, they have an understanding that it is quite like Classical music and dismiss any reaction of fear influenced from the music. They realize that the sections which create a feeling of suspense sound like  my film compositions and they identify with the art somehow...even though they are too young to comprehend abstract thinking. When their friends sleep over and parents knock on the door to drop off their child...if Art Zoyd or Patricia Dallio are playing in the kitchen...it must stop immediately because if the parents hear the music they may find me questionable. My greatest appreciation of the arts, is when i am alone. I find i like it best that way. I'm not totally against engaging with people when i listen to music, etc., but that full realisation of it is when i am alone. Absolutely. I would not have it any other way. Maybe this is a large reason why I've been able to enjoy my own company all These years. Music listening has taught me so much. :) I'm with you on this one

I agree and when I became interested in Prog..I was alone. I miss the company of an ole' friend that shared the common interest with me. She was deeply interested in the Gong mythology...spending time outdoors studying the lyrics and listening to the entire catalog every week  She also liked Henry Cow and mostly anything underground/obscure. Yet...another good friend who was introduced to underground European Progressive music through his uncle who traveled to the U.S.from Germany and handed him over 2000 import albums. All 3 of us would arrange an event ,, just sitting for hours listening to the Popol Vuh collection  and music I had no knowledge of. I miss having friends like that and observing the world engaging with friends within a personal , but common interest , whether it be sports or television is a let down. The reason I am faced with this abandonment today has to do with the dated times I lived in and how it is naturally..socially dismissed.. within the bloodstream of society. Passing the album cover around, reading the lyrics, sharing insight with each other about the music,..that doesn't seem realistic anymore. Why are we so outnumbered? Why can't people be curious, daring, and take chances?  Clinging on to Nosferatu and nothing else feels as precious. The decades pass and still nothing surpasses it That feeling of isolation is present in the Classical world where you have 1 particular composer looking back to the history of another for education and overall influence. 

TODDLER wrote: presdoug wrote: progbethyname wrote: presdoug wrote: TODDLER wrote: It's so private for me. I don't want anyone to witness me listening to King Crimson's Islands. I don't want their opinion or reaction as to why Boz sounds cheesy singing "Beneath the winter waves" or their sarcastic comments about the music not fitting to the times we are now living in. A majority of people in society constantly place emphasis on that and it's annoying. What physically and emotionally fell into place on the day Boz recorded the vocals for Islands is timeless in it's own right. I must have a certain mind set to even hear it.  White Willow has the same affect lyrically and the listening pleasure must be private and isolated....because I've noticed most people cringing at the sound of it. It's as if you end up answering a thousand questions if you broadcast the music in your living room while friends are over, put into a position to defend it and judged. If my kids hear Art Zoyd or Univers Zero, they have an understanding that it is quite like Classical music and dismiss any reaction of fear influenced from the music. They realize that the sections which create a feeling of suspense sound like  my film compositions and they identify with the art somehow...even though they are too young to comprehend abstract thinking. When their friends sleep over and parents knock on the door to drop off their child...if Art Zoyd or Patricia Dallio are playing in the kitchen...it must stop immediately because if the parents hear the music they may find me questionable. My greatest appreciation of the arts, is when i am alone. I find i like it best that way. I'm not totally against engaging with people when i listen to music, etc., but that full realisation of it is when i am alone. Absolutely. I would not have it any other way. Maybe this is a large reason why I've been able to enjoy my own company all These years. Music listening has taught me so much. :) I'm with you on this one I agree and when I became interested in Prog..I was alone. I miss the company of an ole' friend that shared the common interest with me. She was deeply interested in the Gong mythology...spending time outdoors studying the lyrics and listening to the entire catalog every week  She also liked Henry Cow and mostly anything underground/obscure. Yet...another good friend who was introduced to underground European Progressive music through his uncle who traveled to the U.S.from Germany and handed him over 2000 import albums. All 3 of us would arrange an event ,, just sitting for hours listening to the Popol Vuh collection  and music I had no knowledge of. I miss having friends like that and observing the world engaging with friends within a personal , but common interest , whether it be sports or television is a let down. The reason I am faced with this abandonment today has to do with the dated times I lived in and how it is naturally..socially dismissed.. within the bloodstream of society. Passing the album cover around, reading the lyrics, sharing insight with each other about the music,..that doesn't seem realistic anymore. Why are we so outnumbered? Why can't people be curious, daring, and take chances?  Clinging on to Nosferatu and nothing else feels as precious. The decades pass and still nothing surpasses it That feeling of isolation is present in the Classical world where you have 1 particular composer looking back to the history of another for education and overall influence.

Wow. You are lucky to have had those experiences with other people. I've never have had that and I love hearing about prog sharing like that. It is hard to be reminicient with prog in society these days. The only people I can talk to about the incredible depths of prog with only occur on this website for me. I am very alone in my prog world and it's taught me a lot.
It's nice to know, however, that their are many people including you (toddler) that feel the same way. I consider a lot of people my friends on this cite for the wonderful and insightful conversations we've had about the world of prog.
I am thankful for at least that.

Maybe that's the prog mind? 

I'm laughing on the inside.