The UFO Phenomenon

Svetonio wrote: ^ What about that Dogon cosmology?

Walter van Beek, an anthropologist studying the Dogon, found no evidence that they had any historical advanced knowledge of Sirius. Van Beek postulated that Griaule engaged in such leading and forceful questioning of his Dogon sources that new myths were created in the process by confabulation, writing that "though they do speak about sigu tolo [what Griaule claimed was Sirius] they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule".[5]

timothy leary wrote: ^ I especially liked Tom Robbins "Half Asleep In Frog Pajamas".

Toaster Mantis wrote: Dean wrote: How so? There isn't actually a consistent description of either [faeries and aliens] so there cannot be a not insignificant correspondence between them. However, I do agree with the premise in principle - aliens are the new mythology or as (my favourite SF author) John T Sladek put it. Back in pre-modern times, people would disappear for long times and returning deliriously claiming to have been kidnapped by either faeries or demons. (who in Judaism and Christianity - but not Islam - are identified with fallen angels just like Crowley's Lam) Likewise, both the entire mythology around "changelings" of faerie stories and the Nephilim of the Bible parallel all the talk in UFO lore about alien/human hybrids walking among us. Then there's how faeries were said to live in barrows that would at night stand up high on glowing poles. (reminiscent of a landed spaceship, isn't it?) Also, notice how faeries are almost always "the little people" and said to have large hypnotic eyes. These figures from bronze-age Eastern Europe, probably representing deities or spirits or other supernatural entities, also look very much like the being gracing the cover of Communion: Being neither religious nor convinced of alien contact, I have to go with the explanation of the same archetype taking different forms depending on the cultural and sociological context.

Good observations and apparently you and I have read some of the same books regarding Forteana and related paranormal events. Archetypes are often involved in these 'experiences' that can be called folklore from the past and many seem very similar to some modern experiences. These days people often interpret them as 'ufo phenom' when in the past they were usually seen as 'religious or occult' events. The question remains though ; are they real experiences with an actual physical trigger event or are they all delusions and misidentifications of unusual natural phenomena and processes?

Dean wrote: Svetonio wrote: ^ What about that Dogon cosmology? Read the Wikipedia entry for Nommo: Walter van Beek, an anthropologist studying the Dogon, found no evidence that they had any historical advanced knowledge of Sirius. Van Beek postulated that Griaule engaged in such leading and forceful questioning of his Dogon sources that new myths were created in the process by confabulation, writing that "though they do speak about sigu tolo [what Griaule claimed was Sirius] they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule".[5]

dr wu23 wrote: Good observations and apparently you and I have read some of the same books regarding Forteana and related paranormal events. Archetypes are often involved in these 'experiences' that can be called folklore from the past and many seem very similar to some modern experiences. These days people often interpret them as 'ufo phenom' when in the past they were usually seen as 'religious or occult' events. The question remains though ; are they real experiences with an actual physical trigger event or are they all delusions and misidentifications of unusual natural phenomena and processes?

Could be it's real phenomena but psychological in nature rather than any actual physical entities: They're all in the brain, but the way the human mind works results in mythological creatures that look and act similar across different cultures only they're explained differently depending on the sociological context. (gods, demons, faeries, aliens etc)

I'll find some articles in Magonia exploring that angle later on.

Toaster Mantis wrote: dr wu23 wrote: Good observations and apparently you and I have read some of the same books regarding Forteana and related paranormal events. Archetypes are often involved in these 'experiences' that can be called folklore from the past and many seem very similar to some modern experiences. These days people often interpret them as 'ufo phenom' when in the past they were usually seen as 'religious or occult' events. The question remains though ; are they real experiences with an actual physical trigger event or are they all delusions and misidentifications of unusual natural phenomena and processes? Could be it's real phenomena but psychological in nature rather than any actual physical entities: They're all in the brain, but the way the human mind works results in mythological creatures that look and act similar across different cultures only they're explained differently depending on the sociological context. (gods, demons, faeries, aliens etc) I'll find some articles in Magonia exploring that angle later on.

Dean wrote: Svetonio wrote:   Aha. Btw, what about The Piri Reis map? it's a short video(s) that I posted at previous page of this thread. However here is also a long one about the subject matter that  was filmed last year.. Surprising as it may seem, I am probably not the only person who does not want to spend 79 minutes of their life watching an internet video (not withstanding that at this hour of the day I cannot watch it even if I wanted to, which I don't).   What about you explaining to everyone reading this what the video is about and then tell us in your own words what your opinions and thoughts are on the subject. Surely a 10 minute investment of your time is a better deal than expecting all of us to donate 79 minutes of our free time to watch a video...

I said that I posted a short video(s) in previous page in this thread but you won't to hear me that I have to repost the video.

Dean wrote: Svetonio wrote: Dean wrote: Svetonio wrote:   Aha. Btw, what about The Piri Reis map? it's a short video(s) that I posted at previous page of this thread. However here is also a long one about the subject matter that  was filmed last year.. Surprising as it may seem, I am probably not the only person who does not want to spend 79 minutes of their life watching an internet video (not withstanding that at this hour of the day I cannot watch it even if I wanted to, which I don't).   What about you explaining to everyone reading this what the video is about and then tell us in your own words what your opinions and thoughts are on the subject. Surely a 10 minute investment of your time is a better deal than expecting all of us to donate 79 minutes of our free time to watch a video... I said that I posted a short video(s) in previous page in this thread but you won't to hear me that I have to repost the video. Why won't you tell us in your own words what you think? What have you to hide? Are you being monitored by space lizards that inhabit the mystical land of Ban de K'amp, and they have forbidden you from talking about this? Are these videos secret messages from the hidden cabal of Ewe T'Oob that are reported to Add Sense to whatever is being viewed?

Nothing says scientific accuracy like house music playing in the background.

1) The map is riddled with inaccuracies at the exact places that are supposed to be supporting whatever absurd pre-Columbian theory that's being espoused.

2) Reis' sources have been rather easily traced to people known to have made voyages to the New World.

3) There are more accurate maps from the same time period.

4) Lol @ beginning the video with a dramatic description of elementary geometry to put some viewers' mind in a cloud.

EDIT: The world abounds with genuine mysteries which are just awfully exciting and would really really change our cohesive view of the universe in profound ways. Why is there this need to invent mysteries to explore, especially incredibly mundane ones like this map?


Edited by Equality 7-2521 - January 06 2014 at 08:50

Svetonio wrote: LOL as every conservative (especially the sworn enemy of beautiful land of Ban de K'amp and New Prog Revolution that is going on there) you spits a "sofisticated" cynicism when you run out of the arguments.

Edited by Dean - January 06 2014 at 13:59