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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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Exactly! The problem is that Palestinian leadership has been fraught with mistakes, blunders, bravado, authoritarianism and plain stupidity. A gentler and non-violent approach would do it wonders and immense credibility. Screaming Death to Jews when they have the fist is outright stupid. That is where my posts have been aiming at all along, if you would be bothered to read them properly.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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And I was with you until you resorted to this: "Perhaps the best solution for many would be for the "clueless" Israelis to move out en masse and leave permanently" This was completely unwarranted and whiny to the core.
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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And you cannot teach me about action vs reaction. Lesson #1 in Law School. The great thing is that its easily verifiable who started denigrating the other. I was tired of your bellicose wording and decide to use some levity, which you also don't like. Oh well If you have no sense of humour, that is not my fault.
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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Thank you, I will confess my sins later! Whiny, hahahaha ! Thank you again , love it. As for the previous comment, this is the position of Hamas, Hezbollah, Isis, AlQaida and a boatload of millions of others calling for the expulsion of Israelis if not their destruction . Its in the Hamas charter as you very well know .
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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So basically anyone who dares ask how the Zionist position is justified is automatically a Hamas recruit, got it. This is how people like you have always tried to silence the debate...by deliberately escalating it so that you can accuse others of 'personal attacks' and play victim.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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And it's easily verifiable indeed that I was not the one who denigrated you, you started it. Again, no accountability whatsoever. Evidently you think defending the Zionist cause entitles you to some special privileges.
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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To which I made a hospital comment meant to be funny and that is when you began. And I followed. Then you said WHITE LIES, I do not lie. By your standards calling me a Zionist (pretty funny) is not as bad as me calling you muffin.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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No, you do lie, you have demonstrably lied again and again in pretending that I asked Israelis to leave. And you still have not apologized for that comment. So what if YOU claim you do not lie? Even Trump says that. That's hardly a feasible argument. And the part "I have no patience with people" was intended for ssmarcus but you're so thin skinned you managed to take offence to that and then claim I made a personal attack on you. Edited by rogerthat - May 21 2021 at 08:37 |
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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(Dramatic music in background).I guess surrender is more important than debate. Fine. You are right, everything you say is god-like and 100% perfect. I am an uneducated , rash, imbecilic 4 year-old naive simpleton who swallows anything stated by someone who has a stronger, sharper and more concise voice, who has powerful backers that know the truth . I am so sorry to have dared to challenge you . I use the Internet as a psychiatric tool because its free, so that I can somehow soothe my "failures" and desperately find some kind of solace in reading the real facts as expressed by people who know what is right! Or Left. I will change my distorted ways and align myself with your glorious vision. I will never again waver in misguided rants. Again, and very truthfully I have seen the light and I am sorry to have raised your considerable ire. Pop, pop, glass of water, gulp!
There I apologized! Not so thin-skinned eh? feel better, muffin? Edited by tszirmay - May 21 2021 at 08:48 |
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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Well the thread involving NO PATIENCE is CLEARLY a reply to my comment (see above) and nowhere do you MENTION Marcus. Secondly, you object to me NOT being a Jew and espousing some kind of historical perspective. Are you a Palestinian, or an Arab ? of course NOT. If its good for the goose...How can I be lying when I am actually sitting?
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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Wow, you are losing it, as I remain calm and occasionally funny... a whole series of slanders....you should be a politician.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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If it was not clear from my comment, then I am sorry for that. But no, I did not intend the no patience part for you. I assumed it was clear because everything I said after that was in reference to marcus though I didn't name him. Regardless, you have yet to produce a single quote of mine where I asked for the Jews to leave Israel. See, I am able to clarify that maybe I didn't communicate clearly and take the onus for it. But you are still deeply convinced that making false accusations of people is OK in an argument. And that is what I deeply dislike. If you resort to deceit in an internet argument, I wonder what else should be expected in real life.
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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I accept your apology. I am not a jerk , you can ask around.....
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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I don't have to ask around when you gave ample evidence of it here. Still have not accepted that I never asked for the Jews to leave. Why, would your head shatter in a thousand pieces if you just accepted that? Why so egoistic?
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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I never said the YOU want Israel to vanish, nowhere. I only stated that many millions fondly wish for that to happen. You are way to intelligent to fall in that stupid rabbit- hole. But you are "either or", what about balance? But getting angry with me serves no purpose as I take NO sides , I am like the Swiss , I look at my watch and eat chocolate/cheese. I do not agree with the colonization of the occupied territories , in fact quite the contrary. I believe that both sides should embrace each other , once and for all.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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And who is the many millions and what purpose does that serve in an argument here where there's nobody from Hamas or ISIS here? Why could you not have clarified that before when I asked you about that statement again and again? No, seriously, I thought you just accused all of us other than the Jews in the thread of asking Jews to leave. And I am not alone. Steve responded in the same manner. Hopefully you now understand why I was so infuriated with you because I thought that was very irritating to put it mildly.
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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Thomas. Are you the guy that speaks 11 different languages? I remember I was very much impressed by it, and it was you. Correct?
Your English is very good, but perhaps speaking 11 different languages might result in some ambivalent situations? I also got you wrong here on the first page, I guess. Plus, we need some British (preferably English) contributors here. We can never reach their "bests" in English. ![]() Also, I believe you read stuff a lot, but it doesn't mean you can express yourself in written language perfectly on the internet. We, people in our 20s, 30s; are more lucky in that. (I'm 40, though). As we are doing the "forum work" perhaps since our adolescence. Edited by Shadowyzard - May 21 2021 at 09:12 |
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Nailed it. ![]() For arm-wrestles between reasonably well matched fighters to end, one of them must become big hearted enough to compromise and give away more than he takes. Without that, it's not possible to reach a solution. I am not saying which as between Israel and Palestine should have been the big hearted one. The problem is now intractable. I am sure when China gets more powerful, they would love to get a piece of the action in the region too. That is, even if both parties want to solve it in good faith, the superpowers won't let them. There's too much at stake now to just let the conflict die.
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