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Points: 3888 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2007 at 10:46
 
first thanx to Adam for having woken my interest for Albert Marcoeur. In the summer months you can take twice as many records in the Parisian librarys and  I found 8 out his 9 records in the same library. It's a library where I go quite often to check out what is called in the Paris library system "Musiques Nouvelles" kind of everything from 'John Zorn', 'Miriodor', 'Nurse With Wound' to 'Vangelis' and 'Enya'... strange thing they filed Albert Marcoeur under "Chanson Française", where I don't look so often....
 
A real dicovery in the family of artists that use lyrics  in a declamatory style in the Weill/ Eissler tradition like Henry Cow, News From Babel,...so far I would split up his discography in 2 parts. His first four records from 1973 to 1984 and his records up from 1990 strating with "Ma Vie Avec Elles". I started in fact with one of his later records "Plusieurs cas de Figure" which is my favourite so far and found it more difficult  to listen to his first records then even so they are really interesting. The vocal tracks on these   first period  records are very dense and harsh (Marcoeur's voice needs an acquired taste) and are seperated by the pure instrumental tracks, while his later records combine in a more flowing way the instrumental and vocal parts. Up from 1990 he works together with Elise Caron ( BTW interesting paralell with John Greaves, both Marcoeur and Greaves worked with Elise Caron and the late François Ovide) who is a great singer and gives the records a broader vocal range that fits the lyrics better IMO. His lyrics and use of language in general  are great,  influenced by Bobby Lapointe, the godfather of French surreal lyrics and wordplays (Bobby Lapointe is worth checking out for his humour and great lyrics his music is rather traditional).
 
My favourite records so far  :
 
 "Ma Vie Avec Elles" (1990)
"Plusieurs cas de Figure" (2001)
 
 


Edited by Alucard - August 16 2007 at 11:02
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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2007 at 10:49
Thanks, Alucard.

It's a shame I do not understand much French, as I'd probably understand his lyrics!  I have his first three I think, I just need to get around to listening to them.
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Points: 2888 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2007 at 18:30
Originally posted by listennow801 listennow801 wrote:

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

To give a contradictory (and maybe controversial) opinion; I yawned all the way through In Extremis. The instrumental capabilities are irrefutable, but they try far to hard, resulting in an overly forced sound. 
 
Have to chime in here - is it really fair to judge a band on one disk? I can think of a great # of artists whom I adore, but if I had judged them by one part. lp, I would have missed some astounding music. I mean, what if one judged genesis by abacab, or something equally distasteful that they did later? Okay, maybe that example is a bit extreme, but..[ ; ) ] T.P. can be exceptional imho - try the 1st s/t especially- it's got a post punk rio sensibility which utterly sends me.., or Moonsongs [both gathered on one cd called Early Plague Years by Cuneiform] or their 3rd, In This Life, which many regard as their best.
 
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Cleo, I can certainly understand where you are coming from. I have actually have heard A History of Madness as well (their other highly album on this site). hehe.... I think genesis were a bad example (for me anyway), my entry point for them was both SEBTP and Foxtrot, didn't do much to save me :P. But, yes, putting thoughts aside on that particular band. I have done a little searching for other information (outside this website), I'm finding it quite amazing how contradictory our ratings in comparison to other sites. Unfortunately most of these low ratings for those earlier albums are attributed the Sean Trane's two star reviews for each.

Just out of interest what happen to the band between '89 and '98 ?
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Points: 2888 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2007 at 18:42
Martin, glad you found such interest in his works. I have not heard "Plusieurs cas de Figure", but intend to at some stage. He is one of those artist is will slowly acquire all his disc, once I have give the last one time to sink in. Having little knowledge on the French language I knew little about his surreal-esque lyrics, you now have me greatly intrigued. Is there any chance you could translate one of your favourite pieces?

Once again I'm stunned by the extensive library system Europe sport. I find myself constantly frustrated with the lack of resources my country has. When I find something of interest in the database it is usually resides in another state, mean I cannot borrow it, due to different regulations in other states.
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Points: 3888 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2007 at 07:45
I agree with you Adam, it takes time to appreciate his work and as langugae is one of his important features it's easier if you can understand the lyrics.
 
It was fun to translate this on! When I have time, I'll translate som more.This one is based a lot on homophonie, a typical feature of the French language and French word games
 
 
Albert Marcoeur : 'Le Monde A L'Envers' 'The World Upside Down' ( Ma Vie Avec Elles)
 
Comment se fait-il que les deux premières lettres du verbe aimer soient A, I ?

How does it come that the first  two  letters of the word  aimer =to love are A.I.

(A.I. has the same pronouciation as Hait=3rd sing. of hair =to hate)

Et que les deux dernières d’avenir soient I, R ?

And the last two letters of ’Avenir =‘Future’  is I.R ( I.R. = Hier =yesterday)
C’est le monde à l’envers, c’est le monde à l’envers.

It’s the world upside down …
Le bas en haut la tête par terre.

Upside down, the head on the ground.
Une moitié à l’œil, une moitié à l’œil, l’autre au prix coûtant.

One half for free,… one half for the  real price.

Je m’ demande comment y s’y retrouvent là d’ dans.

I ask myself how I can find my way out.
Financièrement j’entends, financièrement.

Finacially speaking, I mean…


On solde les soldes. Ca s’rait vraiment con de pas profiter et de courir acheter.
They are putting an extra price on  the sales. ( solder les soldes) it would be realy stupid not to catch this offer

Seulement dans acheter, y a A, C, H, E, T pour aujourd’hui.

But in ‘Acheter’ = to buy there is A.C.H.E.T. = assez achété (‘AA-SsezC-AchH-EE-TéT)’ = Bought Enough

Et peut-être que demain je m’ dirai qu’hier c’était pas assez cher pour être bien.

But perhaps tomorrow I will say to myself, it wasn’t expensive enough to feel good.
Pas assez cher pour être bien.

Not expensive enough to feel good.


C’est l e monde à l’envers, c’est le monde à l’envers.

It’s the world upside down …


Sur ton froc y a un nom, sur ta chemise un prénom, sur tes pompes un autre nom.

On your trousers is a (brand)name, on your shirt is a (brand)name, on your shoes another name.
Ta gourmette est tournée du mauvais côté, comment tu t’appelles ?

Your wrist-chain (with a name on it) is turned upside down , what’s your name ?
50% sur la moitié du magasin, c’est mieux que 25 % partout, ne trouvez-vous ?

50% sales on half of the shop, that’s better then 25% on the entire shop, don’t you think so ?
Rien sur la 1, un jeu sur la 2, débat sur la 3, journal sur Canal, tennis sur la 6, quelle heure il est ?

Nothing on Channel 1, a game-show on N°2, a discussion on N° 3,  news on ‘Canal’ (private Channel), Tennis on N° 6, what is the time already ?
Oh merde trop tard,

Oh sh*t too late,

J’ serais bien allé au ciné, moi

I should have gone to the movies,
Prénons CHIRAC, il y a H, I au milieu, A, C à la fin.

Let’s take CHIRAC (former French President)
Les deux lettres A, C se retrouvent enlacées dans le prénom.

The  two letters A.C = Assez= Enough are inside his first name (Jacques)


N’oubliez pas de noter I, R en plein cœur

Don’t forget to mention I.R =Hier = yesterday in the middle of the heart
Placé entre, d’un côté H, A, C de l’autre côté.

Placed between H ( ?) on one side  and A,C (Assez= Enough)on the other


C’est pas innocent finalement si les deux premières lettres du verbe aimer sont A, I.

It’s not innocent finally that the first two letters of the word ‘aimer’= to love are A.I. =Hair= to hate



Edited by Alucard - August 23 2007 at 14:21
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Points: 2888 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2007 at 16:09
They were great, kinda political with the absurd twist to the method. I will have to let it sink in a little, the word play will take a little getting used to, but I will greedily be looking forward to some more translations (if you find the time). Also I will look for some Boddy Lapointe to read next time I'm down at the library, my cultural backgrounds in poetry are close to nothing.
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Points: 891 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2007 at 21:02
I bought the album Angherr Shisspa. It's great! I blame you listennow for keeping it as your profile pic for so long. :D
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Points: 8844 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2007 at 02:26
Have AMM ever been considered for addition to the site?  They're far more RIO than any RIO group I've ever heard.  

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Points: 7003 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2007 at 06:37
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Have AMM ever been considered for addition to the site?  They're far more RIO than any RIO group I've ever heard.  
 
I don't know if AMM have ever been put forward for consideration, but they've certainly been discussed before. They were unquestionably influential on RIO, especially Keith Rowe's guitar technique, but they're more free jazz than avant rock. Having said that, I've seen a comment to the effect that AMM have been classified as jazz, classical and rock at different times, and they could equally belong to any of those categories.
 
What does everybody else think?
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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

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Points: 8844 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2007 at 22:38
I'd be in favor of their inclusion.  But I guess I don't really count.   

They're an unclassafiable mix of rock, jazz, classical, and simple avant-garde insanity, and that's pretty much my working definition of RIO. 


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hi folks,
 
sorry i haven't been around at all - my power supply died and i was comp-less for quite a while. [She now has a new 350 watt drive powering a mirror set of two 320 g HDs!]. Upon my return - well,busy  bee to say the least! I will try to catch up a bit..will look at the chart and see where I can chime in w/ votes sometime this week...
[BTW: just sent a friend a few free jazz classic samples [from Cecil Taylor's Conquistador! and Sun Ra's Lanquidity. If anyone's interested, PM me.]
 
Hope all are well!
 
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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2007 at 23:09
Welcome back, Cleo.  Please check out the Collabs zone, as I was asking a question about Unrest, Work and Play side projects.

Thanks!
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Points: 2888 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2007 at 00:12
In regards to AMM, I do not think I have heard enough of their music to give an educated opinion. I love AMMMusic to death, but my explorations have not spanned out from here yet (though I plan to).

Both these progressive sites have AMM in their database:

http://www.gepr.net/am.html

http://gnosis2000.net/reviews/amm.htm 
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Points: 20373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2007 at 11:58
Here's one for you:
 
Calledebauche
 
 
 
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2007 at 12:26
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Here's one for you:
 
Calledebauche
 
 
 
 
Great music by the Myspace songs.
I ordered the album, so I'll be able to tell more when it comes.
I've a lot more bands I discovered recently through Myspace.
Time permitting, I'll be posting them here later on.
 
 
Hanging Sounds

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Points: 891 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2007 at 23:09
I just got the album 'The Bastress' by the Degenerate Art Ensemble today. It's fantastic.
 
 
you can listen to some samples on their myspace page
 
 
It's very bombastic at parts, but some of the songs like 'dreams from wounded mouth' are shockingly beautiful. Check it out. I promise you won't be disappointed!
 
 
 
 


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Points: 2888 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2007 at 01:25
^^^ Watched the youtube video on the site, they look a whole lot of fun. Do you have any of their other albums? they seen to have a bit of a catalog. 
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Points: 891 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2007 at 02:36
 
no, i only have that one album, but i'm looking forward to getting more. this is the kind of band i dream of seeing in concert. maybe  someday theyll come around :P.
 
 
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Hector Zazou/Bony Bikaye : Noir et Blanc (Crammed Disks1983)

When I moved to Paris it was the beginning of the Free radio stations in France and my favorite one was ‘Radio Nova’ a station that explored World music when the term doesn’t existed yet, combined with Funk, electronic and experimental music . RN had a specific way of mixing tracks on the air with life electronic treatments and would pass from ‘Prince’ to some obscure electronic stuff. One of the DJ’s was Hector Zazou , whom I discovered through Radio Nova. In 1983 Hector Zazou recorded with Zairian singer Bony Bikaye for the Belgian Crammed label. In a way the combination of ‘Akzak Maboul’ and ‘ZNR’ with Vincent Kenis & Fred Frith on  guitars, Marc Hollander on clarinets, Chris Jorris on  percussion, Fred Wallich on sax and Veronique Vincent on additional vocals. Mainly a mixture of Zairean melodies with electronic  treated rhythm tracks.

 

 
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Points: 2888 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2007 at 19:19
I have been meaning to check out some discs on Crammed ever since I fell head over heels for Aksak Maboul's first. Supposedly 'Onze Danses Pour Combattre La Migraine' paved the way for future releases on the label (according to the linear notes). Coincidently I have been looking for some world fusion-ish music for the last few weeks, but the world umbrella covers a lot of ground so it is quite hard to know where to start.

Have you heard either (I noticed them on the Crammed label):

- HECTOR ZAZOU With JOHN CALE/DAVID SYLVIAN/BILL LASWELL/RYUICHI SAKAMOTO/LISA GERARD et al - Sahara Blue (Crammed MTM 32/Ryko; Belgium)

- HAROLD BUDD & HECTOR ZAZOU - Glyph (Crammed MTM 37/Ryko; Belgium)
 
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