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Points: 952 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 10:07
Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

The only trouble with JMA is it's full of people from PA. That's why their top ten is basically Miles Davis.


I've nearly got Charles Mingus in there - I'll finish my 5 star review and see if I can swing it hahaha!
And Herbie Hancock's there  too (and John Coltrane) - but the wrong Hancock album in my opinion Wink

So many PA folks (such as me) have made the leap
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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

The only trouble with JMA is it's full of people from PA.

Stupid PA people have to ruin everything.

I should elaborate. It's not the fact that they emigrate from here that is a problem, but their naturally proggy tastes. I know that JMA are struggling to build a fanbase, but the huge slant towards fusion will definitely confuse and/or put off a lot of people who want to celebrate swing or big band jazz (for example). Earlier types of jazz are almost ignored over there.

In the real world, fusion, funk and rock-influenced jazz play a small part in the history of jazz music, and the cause of JMA's disproportionate focus on these subgenres (which will look like a bias to any random visitors) can only have been caused by the people who flocked there from PA.




We've actually been discussing that ourselves actually...oh dear - we've just hijacked a hijacked thread. Apologies all.
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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

The only trouble with JMA is it's full of people from PA.

Stupid PA people have to ruin everything.

I should elaborate. It's not the fact that they emigrate from here that is a problem, but their naturally proggy tastes. I know that JMA are struggling to build a fanbase, but the huge slant towards fusion will definitely confuse and/or put off a lot of people who want to celebrate swing or big band jazz (for example). Earlier types of jazz are almost ignored over there.


I guess I see what you're saying...but I don't see what's stopping anyone from going over there and "celebrating" the jazz music they enjoy.  I would guess the problem is there's well established sites like all about jazz with which JMA has to compete; for progressive rock PA was among the first, quickly grew, and is now the premier site for such music.
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I will head over eventually, but I feel that right now, I'd just be adding to the problem. If the admins could find a community of Duke Ellington fans...... a Gershwin appreciation society..... I don't know, a 'bop forum'..... they might be able to pull them in and get a much more comprehensive, well-rounded and fun site.

There may be other established sites about jazz, but if they don't have a user reviwing capacity then visitors to such sites might be exactly the kind of people that JMA can lure in!


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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

I will head over eventually, but I feel that right now, I'd just be adding to the problem. If the admins could find a community of Duke Ellington fans...... a Gershwin appreciation society..... I don't know, a 'bop forum'..... they might be able to pull them in and get a much more comprehensive, well-rounded and fun site.

There may be other established sites about jazz, but if they don't have a user reviwing capacity then visitors to such sites might be exactly the kind of people that JMA can lure in!



The reviewing capacity is a draw card of Max's site, huh? It's certainly what sucked me into PA & JMA
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Well, I've never lost interest in Jazz, but that's because I never had any interest in it in the first place.

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I feel the same way about Fox News, Cauliflower and The Kardashians
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^ I'm with you there - Kardashians are the lizzard people in Star Trek DS9 right?
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^ I'm with you there - Kardashians are the lizzard people in Star Trek DS9 right?



Hahahah! Yeah, that's them for sure. I wonder if they can grow new tails too?
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Tired of bad prog,not of good music!
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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

The only trouble with JMA is it's full of people from PA.

Stupid PA people have to ruin everything.

I should elaborate. It's not the fact that they emigrate from here that is a problem, but their naturally proggy tastes. I know that JMA are struggling to build a fanbase, but the huge slant towards fusion will definitely confuse and/or put off a lot of people who want to celebrate swing or big band jazz (for example). Earlier types of jazz are almost ignored over there.

In the real world, fusion, funk and rock-influenced jazz play a small part in the history of jazz music, and the cause of JMA's disproportionate focus on these subgenres (which will look like a bias to any random visitors) can only have been caused by the people who flocked there from PA.




Well we're trying. You should come on over and help.

You have to remember, however, that a large majority of people who are fans of any non-fusion jazz, are either members of another established site, too old to work a computer, too old to find JMA, or dead. There aren't many people into jazz as prog, rock or metal.

There is actually a lot of discussion of non-fusion jazz from the 40s-80s, and modern stuff as well. It's the reviews and ratings that are a large majority fusion, or classic albums from late 50s/early 60s. There are reviews of plenty of different styles of jazz, unfortunately, these albums have maybe 1 or 2 reviews only. But the site is young, and I remember when PA was a little slow and such, and I didn't discover this site until summer 2005, it had been around for 3 years already.
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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

I will head over eventually, but I feel that right now, I'd just be adding to the problem. If the admins could find a community of Duke Ellington fans...... a Gershwin appreciation society..... I don't know, a 'bop forum'..... they might be able to pull them in and get a much more comprehensive, well-rounded and fun site.

There may be other established sites about jazz, but if they don't have a user reviwing capacity then visitors to such sites might be exactly the kind of people that JMA can lure in!



But you could go there and start a Bop-appreciation thread. I'm sure you'd get plenty of responses, and I'm sure there would be some nice lengthy discussion.

JMA is still taking baby steps to getting noticed by non-PA members. There's already a few people there that did not come over from PA.
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Points: 4160 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 13:39
I think, as the great Tim Smith once said: "I don't like bad songs". I think this is the phrase that fits here at this time.
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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:


I will head over eventually, but I feel that right now, I'd just be adding to the problem. If the admins could find a community of Duke Ellington fans...... a Gershwin appreciation society..... I don't know, a 'bop forum'..... they might be able to pull them in and get a much more comprehensive, well-rounded and fun site.


There may be other established sites about jazz, but if they don't have a user reviwing capacity then visitors to such sites might be exactly the kind of people that JMA can lure in!



The number of people who can write good reviews about jazz besides fusion has increased quite a bit lately.
As one of the original builders of the site I was concerned from the very beginning that the site would have a big fusion fan base and would not be attractive to non-fusion jazz fans. I even advised Max against recruiting too heavily from the PA membership.
Overall, its been a struggle for the site to break from its jazz-rock beginnings.

Speaking for myself, I've been into all kinds of jazz since way back: Gillespie, Parker, Ellington and Coleman Hawkins are all part of my collection.
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Look on the bright side.  JMA could be overrun with John Tesh and Kenny G fans.
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Well we aren't into disparaging fusion fans at all, I love really good fusion from the early 70s, but its nice to see the site hitting more of a balance lately.

Anyway, this thread is probably off track, ...that's all folks.
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Look on the bright side.  JMA could be overrun with John Tesh and Kenny G fans.
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Originally posted by js (Easy Money) js (Easy Money) wrote:

Well we aren't into disparaging fusion fans at all, I love really good fusion from the early 70s, but its nice to see the site hitting more of a balance lately.

Anyway, this thread is probably off track, ...that's all folks.

The only reason i haven't joined is that i am pretty much only into Jazz/Fusion and there's only a few albums that i have that i could review there that aren't on this site. I do have some John Coltrane and Donald Bryd but can't think of any others.Oh i have a band called CIRCLE and their "Live In Paris" album from the early seventies.Free Jazz i guess with Chick Corea,Dave Holland and 2 other guys who's names i forget, but other than that i don't have much to offer.Anyway good luck with the site guys !
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Dear BaldFriede, don't worry and take a break. I think "interest in prog" is not so much about "interest in prog" as such, meaning the particular albums we use to discuss here.
 
By learning to like prog, what we actually do is training our ears and brain to appreciate qualities in music which we (albeit certainly subjectively) identify with quality work delivered by the artists.
 
Whether you keep on listening to prog or not, this training remains in your ears and brain, and sooner or later you will listen to something that you identify as "good music" and you will enjoy it, whether it's what we define as prog-rock or not it doesn't matter.
 
And in any case it's likely that you will someday feel like listening to your old prog favourites again Smile
 
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recently, i have been expanding my interest in 70s prog, with a lot of new recordings from that period (krautrock, fusion, heavy prog) there is so much brilliant material from that period, especially from the UK and Europe
            I find if i dig deeper, there are no regrets, just a greater appreciation of the 70s
        I am sure there is a lot of great newer recordings, but i don't have the time or inclination


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