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darkshade
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 18:58 |
jampa17 wrote:
darkshade wrote:
^ Agreed. The end section of Octavarium is one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever made. So powerful and uplifting. It gets me every time.
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Exactly my point. I tend to believe that fans that said that only the 90's material of them is good, I think it's a bit of a nostalgic notion. I feel chill up my spine in at least two songs of every album of them and that's inspiration... |
I generally go for their 2000s albums more than I do the 90s stuff. Maybe because I didn't get into the band until 2003, but Ive been growing up with the band since before Train of Thought came out. With the exception of some songs from between I&W, Awake, and FII; I get more moved by their last post-Scenes stuff. The heavier songs are heavier, and the symphonic songs are much more symphonic. A Dramatic Turn of Events is kind of like the taking some of the 90s eclectic influences, and mixing it with their current sound, and it sounds amazing to my ears, and is in no way them ripping themselves off, as some have accused on their new album.
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rogerthat
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 20:08 |
jampa17 wrote:
darkshade wrote:
^ Agreed. The end section of Octavarium is one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever made. So powerful and uplifting. It gets me every time.
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Exactly my point. I tend to believe that fans that said that only the 90's material of them is good, I think it's a bit of a nostalgic notion. I feel chill up my spine in at least two songs of every album of them and that's inspiration... |
What one considers inspiration is also relative to each one's expectations, perceptions and these are further influenced by one's cultural background and previous exposure to music. I am not elaborating on that this time because I would have to then draw comparisons and I don't like where that goes on a DT thread. I will restrict myself to saying that I have largely regarded and found DT to be technical metal music and the only reason I prefer the 90s albums to the more recent ones is they were written more tightly. I don't find much difference in terms of emotional resonance barring Awake. They need a better singer to do something about that, period.
Edited by rogerthat - May 24 2012 at 20:10
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 20:46 |
I see ADToE as a culmination and refinement of everything they've done up to this point. They brought back the tightness and coherence of the songwriting from the early days and incorporated all of their influences from their career into one story: not a literal one, but an emotional one, as Jordan Rudess said in an interview. In my opinion, it's their best-composed, most coherent, and most powerful album I've heard from them.
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I love dogs, I've always loved dogs
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 07:12 |
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
I see ADToE as a culmination and refinement of everything they've done up to this point. They brought back the tightness and coherence of the songwriting from the early days and incorporated all of their influences from their career into one story: not a literal one, but an emotional one, as Jordan Rudess said in an interview. In my opinion, it's their best-composed, most coherent, and most powerful album I've heard from them. |
THIS!!!!! I love it when I find someone who agrees with me on this album.
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Horizons
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 07:31 |
Didn't blow me away but better than most of their other stuff.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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jampa17
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 19:12 |
dtguitarfan wrote:
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
I see ADToE as a culmination and refinement of everything they've done up to this point. They brought back the tightness and coherence of the songwriting from the early days and incorporated all of their influences from their career into one story: not a literal one, but an emotional one, as Jordan Rudess said in an interview. In my opinion, it's their best-composed, most coherent, and most powerful album I've heard from them. |
THIS!!!!! I love it when I find someone who agrees with me on this album. |
Well, it's fun when you don't find DT fans in a prog site but you find them anywhere else. I rated 5 stars ADToE and I do believe it's an example of perfection in these later years...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 19:17 |
^I definitely prefer BC&SL
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DaveyByTheSea
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Posted: May 26 2012 at 14:54 |
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^I definitely prefer BC&SL |
I agree...have bought all their albums from day one but just cant care for this one as much as the others! Don't know why! myabe just DT fatigue.
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Skyline Teacher taught me everything!
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darkshade
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Andy Webb
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Posted: June 08 2012 at 20:14 |
That's pretty incredible I have to say
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darkshade
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Posted: June 08 2012 at 20:16 |
I like "Myung's" face.
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: June 08 2012 at 22:19 |
darkshade wrote:
I like "Myung's" face.
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It's funny because it actually kind of looks like him.
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I love dogs, I've always loved dogs
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AlexDOM
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Posted: June 09 2012 at 21:33 |
Wow it really does ha ha
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eleven44
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 18:03 |
The 'Score' live album is the one that I actually enjoy listening to the most. The production on their 2000s studio albums annoy me, they're very well done of course, but they don't have that vibe that you get from live DT. Or their earlier 90s albums from that matter that had a more organic edge to it.
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AlexDOM
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 20:54 |
I have the Score live dvd and love it. Labrie sounds pretty good on it too. I have most of their live dvds, Live at Tokyo and Once in Livetime double dvd, Metropolis 2000, and Live at Budokan too.
Edited by AlexDOM - June 20 2012 at 20:55
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JS19
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 06:03 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I definitely prefer BC&SL |
ADToE is so lackluster. It feels like I'm listening to a DT tribute band...
Edited by JS19 - June 23 2012 at 06:05
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 08:26 |
JS19 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I definitely prefer BC&SL |
ADToE is so lackluster. It feels like I'm listening to a DT tribute band... |
Too bad for you. I'd put it right up there with Images and Words, and it's a nice feeling to enjoy it so much.
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zumacraig
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 09:03 |
dtguitarfan wrote:
JS19 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I definitely prefer BC&SL |
ADToE is so lackluster. It feels like I'm listening to a DT tribute band... |
Too bad for you. I'd put it right up there with Images and Words, and it's a nice feeling to enjoy it so much.
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Me too. The melodies are there, but it is a their most complicated as far as changes go. Way beyond rush.
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Stardust we are.
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JS19
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Posted: June 24 2012 at 04:09 |
zumacraig wrote:
dtguitarfan wrote:
JS19 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I definitely prefer BC&SL |
ADToE is so lackluster. It feels like I'm listening to a DT tribute band... |
Too bad for you. I'd put it right up there with Images and Words, and it's a nice feeling to enjoy it so much.
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Me too. The melodies are there, but it is a their most complicated as far as changes go. Way beyond rush. |
No-one even compared it Rush. That's irrelevant. Like me saying ADToE is less enjoyable than bacon or something (which is true)...
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jampa17
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Posted: June 24 2012 at 13:01 |
zumacraig wrote:
dtguitarfan wrote:
JS19 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I definitely prefer BC&SL |
ADToE is so lackluster. It feels like I'm listening to a DT tribute band... |
Too bad for you. I'd put it right up there with Images and Words, and it's a nice feeling to enjoy it so much.
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Me too. The melodies are there, but it is a their most complicated as far as changes go. Way beyond rush. |
The melodies are better, the lyrics are way better, the energy of the band seems more enjoyable. The soul of DT is present. Nothing is left in ADToE, just that the drums are a little bit down in the levels of the mix. In the rest, DT is in top of form. When people said that DT is in fatigue, I think is their own selves, as a fan, that are not able to enjoy an album as 10 years before.
But DT members are really enjoying themselves more than in the last two albums, it's evident.
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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