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Posted: June 11 2005 at 08:10 |
Another one for burning ![](smileys/smiley7.gif)
Review by Mike Portnoy 6:54:08 AM EST, 6/11/2005
— We all know that the band is a legend... Most of all, they create I unique style of music, unlike before... Octavarium really is the best album since the IMAGES and WORDS, AWAKE, and METROPOLIS part II. They have changed a lot melodically and musically all of the years. I can't believe some people say that this band sucks! Think again... Maybe it's because... YOU DON'T KNOW REAL MUSIC! Dream Theater ROCKS!
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YES - Going for the One (1977) Review (Permanent link) by Rafael In Rio @ 12:02:07 AM EST, 6/11/2005 — Once again this amazing site invented something great, they gave a limit to all reviews, as some of them used to occupy almost all the page, and just in time when heavy metal band dream theater (que encheção de saco essa banda) fan club discovered this site. Now lets go for the 1, starting with the title track “going for the one”, a good guitar riff in the introduction, and an excellent song but, becomes repetitive at the end and its a thing I don’t like in music. “Turn of century” an ethereal ballad; I guess all this record is a bit ethereal, very well constructed, with complex arrangements, this song is very nostalgic to me. “Parallels” has a powerful church organ that many progheads will love, another excellent song. “Wondrous stories” another excellent ethereal ballad. “Awaken” a fifteen minutes song; nothing similar to Close to the Edge, an excellent authentic progressive song, a bit bombastic to my taste, and 4 stars is a very fair rate to this album, a classic album with touches of classic music.
Que enche meu saco é quando há comentários nas resenhas que tem nada que ver com o álbum. (What 'irritates' me is when there are comments in the reviews that don't have anything to do with the album.)
Rafael obviously does not like DT (I'm no fan either) but a review of YES' "Going For The One" is not the place to mention this in my opinion. That's what the forums are for. This also applies to his comment on the new format of the Home Page, which have nothing whatsoever to do with the album.
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Posted: June 11 2005 at 14:48 |
Fitzcarraldo wrote:
YES - Going for the One (1977) Review (Permanent link) by Rafael In Rio @ 12:02:07 AM EST, 6/11/2005 — Once again this amazing site invented something great, they gave a limit to all reviews, as some of them used to occupy almost all the page, and just in time when heavy metal band dream theater (que encheção de saco essa banda) fan club discovered this site. Now lets go for the 1, starting with the title track “going for the one”, a good guitar riff in the introduction, and an excellent song but, becomes repetitive at the end and its a thing I don’t like in music. “Turn of century” an ethereal ballad; I guess all this record is a bit ethereal, very well constructed, with complex arrangements, this song is very nostalgic to me. “Parallels” has a powerful church organ that many progheads will love, another excellent song. “Wondrous stories” another excellent ethereal ballad. “Awaken” a fifteen minutes song; nothing similar to Close to the Edge, an excellent authentic progressive song, a bit bombastic to my taste, and 4 stars is a very fair rate to this album, a classic album with touches of classic music.
Que enche meu saco é quando há comentários nas resenhas que tem nada que ver com o álbum. (What 'irritates' me is when there are comments in the reviews that don't have anything to do with the album.)
Rafael obviously does not like DT (I'm no fan either) but a review of YES' "Going For The One" is not the place to mention this in my opinion. That's what the forums are for. This also applies to his comment on the new format of the Home Page, which have nothing whatsoever to do with the album.
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Although he does have a pointless rant in the review, he actually does give a valid review of the album.
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Posted: June 12 2005 at 10:16 |
Review by Jesus Betancourt
4:16:46 AM EST, 6/12/2005
— This is by far the most commercial release by DT. I was very disapointed by it and the fact that I bought it for 18 dollers really upsets me. After listining to this album three times I threw it in the garbage. This is the only DT album I have ever heard, I hope that there other albums are not as dissapointing.
Anyone else see something terribly wrong with this review? Hint: Check the two bolded sentences.
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Posted: June 12 2005 at 14:35 |
Review by Darkwing 9:23:59 AM EST, 6/12/2005
![5 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/5stars.gif) — There will always be people, who want to hear great things bad, so don't believe some down-knockers who say something like: "Hey, I am so objective, I am not a DT fan, this album is good but not a masterpiece, blah blah blah." Fact is, that Octavarium is a superb release, the best since long time, blows all the whole recent metal and even prog releases away and is DT's strongest record since SFAM. When DT bring out a new record which is as strong as this one is, it deserves without doubt the banner masterpiece and 5 stars!
So what's the album like, Mr Darkwing? ![](smileys/smiley11.gif)
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Posted: June 12 2005 at 16:44 |
I found an review on Yes's "Fragile album:
YES Fragile Review (Permanent link) by Anthony Cornet @ 12:44:40 AM EST, 3/19/2005
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 18:20 |
The latest RUSH Exit Stage Left and PINK FLOYD The Division Bell are both mindless rants that should be deleted.
(And the Div Bell guy even rated the album 5 stars to boot ![](smileys/smiley19.gif) )
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Marmalade...I like marmalade.
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RUSH Exit.....Stage Left (Live) Review (Permanent link) by farting machine @ 4:28:51 PM EST, 6/13/2005
![1 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/1stars.gif) — GOD I HATE THIS ALBUM, RUSH PROG....... GIMME A BREAK. the blokes voice is noteless and far too pompus ott metal from the most boring [%*!#]ing country in the universe. give us fleetwood mac their prog......yeah right. what about slipknot them too more listenable than rush and dream theater both big [&*!#]ting jokes.
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PINK FLOYD Division Bell Review (Permanent link) by Austin @ 3:03:08 PM EST, 6/13/2005
![5 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/5stars.gif) — All you Floyd Fans that gave a 4 star or less should wake up from the ways of what your mommy and daddy let you view this world, that Pink Floyd didnt want you to see. But I forgive you. You are all simple minded people.....The Division Bell......all the albums will have a place in my heart...nomatter how is missing from the group..so all you can go F**K YOURSELF.....:)
These REVIEWS are just plain silly.
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 02:43 |
Maybe we should remind people that there is a FORUM for posts like these - and WHY THE SHOUTING???
YES - Close to the Edge (1972) Review (Permanent link) by Jose Javier MEX @ 10:03:32 PM EST, 6/15/2005
![5 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/5stars.gif) — WELL IM VERY ANGRY WITH THIS GUY HE DOESNT HAVE A CLUE OF WHAT ITS BEATIFUL. GOOD STUFF BUT NON ESSENCIAL???. WHATS THE PROBLEM WITH YOU; THIS A MASTERPICE OF ALL TIMES.ITS NOT OVERRATE AT ALL, ITS JUST THAT A SUPER ALBUM DONT YOU GET IT, WELL MAYBE THE PROGRESSIVE ISNT FOR YOU. WELL NOW CLOSE TO EDGE ITS THE SUPER EPIC AND VERY WELL COMPOSSED FULL OF ENERGY PASION AND INSPIRATION SONG. AND ALSO ITS BRUFORD HERE SO WAHT ELSE YO WANT??. I HAVE THE REMASTERED VERSION AND RUNS UP TO THE 72 MINUTES AND STILL FILLS MY IMAGINATION WITH AMAZING THINGS. I TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS SUPER ARTISTS MADE THIS MAJESTIC WORK.BUT I CANNOT IMAGINE IT,MAYBE GODS' THING WENT HERE. EVERYTHING HERE FILLS IN THE RIGTH PLACE. NOTHING OF LACK AND PRETENTIOUS JUST PLENTY OF BEATIFUL AND IMPRESSIVE SOUNDS. STEVE HOWE ITS IN HIS VERY SENTIMENTAL AND FULL OF SOUL TEMPOS. BRUFORD IS ALWAYS A GUARANTEE, AND WELL USED "BASS-DRUM" SOUNDS ALWAYS SURPRISES ME. ANND SQUIRE AS ALWAYS A VITUOSO FULL OF INSPIRATION AND FEELING THATS COMBINE WITH THE GENIUS OF BRUFORD. JON ANDERSON WITH HIS PARTUCLAR AND SHARP(ACUTE) VOICE THAT DOES THAT EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE ETERNAL. AND RICK WAKEMAN ALSO TO BE REMEMBERED CONTRIBUTES HERE AND KNOW IT. MAKES NOTICE OF THE BEST WAY. THERE IS A PART OF TRANQUILITY THAT IS FOLLOWED BY A GAME OF VOICES THAT ENDS IN A GLORIOUS ORGAN; THIS IS HEAVEN. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW AND TO ENJOY A REAL MAIN WORK OF THE PROGRESSIVE SYMPHONIC, YOU MUST ACQUIRE THIS ALBUM TO THE POSSIBLE BRIEFNES. THE BEST.
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Another winner. He really says nothing about the album other than that is sucks and it isn't prog (which is laughable).
GENESIS Foxtrot
Review (Permanent link) by Drew @ 8:10:34 PM EST, 6/16/2005
— If your trying to pull someone into prog- THIS is not the album to do it. Neither is Yes- closr to the edge (these are two- HIGHLY-HIGHLY OVERRATED ALBUMS. Only fans of Genesis should by this album- I bought it after seeing such a high review- and got rid of it 2 weeks later after I forced myself to listen to it a few times. This is just not good prog music- I dont even consider it prog- its sloppy, messy sounding music. Sorry- not for me.
EDIT: BTW how do you get the star rating to show up when you copy/paste?
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DREAM THEATER - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (2002) Review (Permanent link) by The Ryan @ 8:02:00 PM EST, 6/17/2005
![1 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/1stars.gif) — Now that we have Octavarium, Images and Words, Awake, and Scenes From A Memory we no longer need Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance. This album compared to the four listed above, makes it obsolete. Six Degrees was an experiment, as were Train of Thought and Falling Into Infinity. Attempts to be noticed by mainstreamers and rule the world as the Beatles once did. Though they aren't necessarily bad albums, they don't sound like Dream Theater albums so much as Metallica or some other heavy metal groups (that aren't as talented as Dream Theater, see Octavarium.) "Six Degrees..." in this day in age is a waste of time, other than to complete your collection or to see how Dream Theater went wrong.
Okay, what's the point of this review? That now Octavarium is out, this album is obsolete? This is my favorite DT album. ![](smileys/smiley7.gif)
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YES - Yesyears - A Retrospective (1991) Review (Permanent link) by Shaun Hackett @ 7:36:23 PM EST, 6/20/2005
![1 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/1stars.gif) — meh, not many full songs, mostly talk. i really enjoy yes, and wish that they would do full songs asdf asdf asd fasdf amsdf as df asd fa sdf asd fa sdf asd fa sdf asdf a sdf asd f asdf a sdf asd fa sdf as df asdf as df asdf asd f asdf asd fa sdf asd fa sdf asd fa sdf asd f asd f as df asd f asd fa sdf asdf a sdf asd f asdf asdf asdf asdf asdf asdf asdf asdf asdf asdf asdf
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DREAM THEATER - Octavarium (2005) Review (Permanent link) by a scarred dreamer @ 10:38:59 PM EST, 6/20/2005
![1 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/1stars.gif) — I used to listen to 11/8 10/8 alternated, patterns terminated before i was expecting, moving in me something like refreshing surprise... now I find out that these guys are able to play even 4/4 8/8 16/16 32/32 64/64 and maybe 128/128, also thanx to the ability of Rudess, the only active musician in this album. I felt really deluded by this work... everyone could play it after 3 days and everyone can sing its songs without running the risk to go out of time... I hope this is not the motor for producing this stuff, cause a weak album can be even forgiven, given that they've recorded their solo album 3 months before this one, but if it should be another change of season the only think left to a scarred dreamer as i feel now is to say a sad goodbye to those guys, wishing them to become more popular as they actually are... but don't expect to see me between the guys at your concert... the one of tomorrow could be my last DT live show i'll attend.
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OPETH - Blackwater Park (2001) Review (Permanent link) by Jett Rink @ 10:05:39 AM EST, 6/22/2005
![1 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/1stars.gif) — Death Metal is Death Metal and bands like Nile and Entomed are the best at it ,epic style. Opeth are a band that typically skirt round the edges of Death Metal and tend just to add just enough so as not to offend the listener with this so called awful stuff.This is really all very pathetic and Opeth are a band that has no idea about how to play Death Metal so i really dont no why they bother with it at all.The fact is Opeth are a band that are hugely influenced by the atmospheric sound of early Pink Floyd and almost duplicate that sound , they also imitate the vocal harmonies of floyds, Rick Wright and Dave Gilmour almost perfectly,while layering their music with progressive/death style metal.The Death Metal vocals sound very out of place while mixed with soft acoustics and harmonies on Blackwater Park,which is very similar to Still Life,the production is better than Still Life which was very poor.Blackwater Park is perfect for anyone who enjoys recycled early Pink Floyd psychedelic material (pre Meddle era) and imitators of Death metal act Nile thrown in for good measure.
What kind of a review is that? Just mindless ignorance and hate, probably with the purpose of 'ruining' an album's average score.
This contains no impression on the album or even Opeth's music whatsover. Not to mention that there is zero of early Pink Floyd here, and the Death Metal performed by the musicians is one of the best in modern metal, which every respected metal head knows about.
A useless, misinforming review, reading which you get the question: did he even listen to it or did he review it just out of the pure feeling that the album is perhaps too popular?
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DREAM THEATER - Octavarium (2005) Review (Permanent link) by Adam @ 2:53:20 PM EST, 6/22/2005
![5 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/5stars.gif) — For some reason this site seems to be infested with people that are not too fond of Dream Theater. And I know everyone is sick of hearing Dream Theater this and Dream Theater that. But I couldn't help but review this album after finding many statements on Dream Theater's lyrics not being up to par and many people stating that the lyrics to Octavarium are "no concept" or "8 this 8 that, its not that deep." Well I'm here to tell you that Octavarium has much more meaning that many people (even fans) know, so let me explain my interpretation. This is more of an interpretation than an album review of the music. It is more of a review of the lyrics and the concepts behind the album.Obviously if you do have the CD you have seen the figure of the octavarium. This paragraph will just be an observation of the different clues. The 8-sided figure with the 5-sided star enclosed inside it. You also have seen the many pictures with the 8 figures of one object and the five of another (the fish and the octopus, the spiders and the levels of the maze, the dominoes, the keys in the back, 8 white, 5 black, the side of the album 8 white blocks, 5 white, the eight ball, the eight swinging balls on the front cover with the five birds, ect.) Also note that there are 8 tracks, this is their 8th studio album (excluding A Change of Seasons EP) and there is 5 parts to the title track "Octavarium." Now "Who Cares?" 8, 5, blah blah, this surely has little meaning. That statement will easily be proven wrong at the conclusion of this analysis. If you notice each song describes a certain fault in a human being, or displays a fault in a certain way. For example The Root of all Evil shows the fault of alcohol or any drug addiction, the Answer lies within shows insecurity within oneself, These Walls shows the lack of confidence of an individual, I walk beside you shows total dependence on another, ect. I am trying to make this relatively short (though its hard due to its complexity) so you can figure out the morals to the other songs. If you also notice each song has a certain time signature above the lyrics (1/8, 2/8, 3/8...) The figure of the octavarium also has that time signature correlated to one of the eight corners. This is to show that each corner of the eight sided octavarium represents a fault in a human in today's society. Each corner is a downfall in the moral of the average human being. The five sided star represents five different good moral qualities that are normally absent when it comes to todays society. My own interpretation of the five good moral qualities are stated in "Octavarium" when it is said "Loyalty, Trust, Faith, and Desire, carries Love through each darkest fire." Love being the main of the five qualities while the other four are needed to carry the fifth. Dream Theater is saying that there are not many people that give respect to good moral value any more in todays society. They are stating that they live with a high regard to moral value and being good, respectable people, and they believe that they are trapped in a world (octavarium) where the other eight values are much more present than the main five that we should be cherishing. It is displayed absolutely beautifully in this album, my favorite part being "Sacrificed Sons" when they talk about how many people blaimed God for the tragic events of 9/11 instead of realizing that God has no control over war or many tragedies that happen in todays world. Lets talk about the smart additions that make this album a true masterpiece. First off, with the time signatures in the album, each song also has a key in the staff above. The keys for the songs go as follows: F minor, G minor, A minor, B minor, C minor, D minor, E minor, F minor An Octave. The first song or the Root of the octave (and coincidently, of all evil) begins on an F from the piano. The last song or the Octave (coincidently Octavarium) ends on the same note from the piano after the ochestra ends extremely powerfully and emotionally while James screams "Trapped inside this Octavarium" stating that he is trying to persue the good morals, though it is not respected and not as present as it should be. This loop of chords from beginning to end is incredible while reading the final lyrics to "Razors Edge": "We move in circles Balanced all the while On a gleaming razor's edge A perfect sphere Colliding with our fate This story ends where it began" I also want to show the final lyrics to section IV of Octavarium and show how they each reflect the eight faults (look at the parenthesis that I place above for a quick summary of the moral of each song): "[Root] Our deadly sins feel his mortal wrath Remove all obstacles from our path [Second] Asking questions Search for clues The answer's been right in front of you [Third] We try to break through Long to connect Fall on deaf ears with failed muted breath [Fourth] Loyalty, trust, faith and desire Carries love through each darkest fire [Fifth] Tortured insanity A smothering hell Try to escape but to no avail [Sixth] The calls of admirers Who claim they adore Drain all your lifeblood while begging for more [Seventh] Innocent victims for merciless crimes Fall prey to some madman's for impulsive designs [Octave] Step after step We try controlling our fate When we finally start living it's become to late" These lyrics are VERY well written correlating with the other songs on the album. Each paragraph is a summary of each song (the root for root of all evil, the 2nd for the answer lies within, 3rd for these walls ect.) There are also many other small prespectives and morals that I will leave up for interpretation. One thing that I had found very interesting was the back cover. The eight white piano keys contain the songs (or the eight faults) while the five black keys contain the five members of the band, showing how they are trying to live by the good morals and are trying to break out of the "octavarium" that plagues this decaying society where morals are almost impossible to find. As for the front cover. I have not figured out exactly what it means, or what it is trying to touch base on. If anybody has an idea I would love to know so please post in this forum. I just want it to be known that it is always an opinion to whether you like Dream Theater or anything for that matter. But to go out of your way to say that octavarium can't be that deep and it only has to do with a musical octave is very ignorant. The octave in this situation has much, much more of a meaning. Of course I left some up for interpretation as there is a lot more that you can say about this album and it can go much deeper that what I have written. In my opinion this is a progressive masterpiece and it holds up against all the progressive albums that are essential. Regardless to whether you like the way Dream Theater combines the various styles or whether you like James LaBrie's vocals, there is no question that they deserve an incredible amount of respect for both their musicianship and their lyrical concepts.
Is that correct? I mean, it got some good analyse I guess, but there's not a word about the music. He even said it (the bold sentences).
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CAMEL - I Can See Your House From Here (1979) Review (Permanent link) by Stu @ 3:04:01 PM EST, 6/22/2005
![4 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/4stars.gif) — I am posting this for your amusement. I am giving this four stars, but that's not completely fair, and you'll see why in a moment. When I was in high school, I heard a song on the radio which I really liked called 'Remote Romance', with its boingy synth bassline and sound of bone-xylophone (at least that's what it sounded like on my cheapo radio). Well, only recently did I bother to track down this tidbit from my past and I have now discovered a band called 'Camel'. I will look into them more closely, but I get the feeling that 'Remote Romance' is atypical of their output. I think this review will amuse Camel fans since the track they seem to hate the most is the one I like best - and the only track of theirs that I know.
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CAN Tago Mago Review (Permanent link) by Francisco Paiva @ 3:14:57 AM EST, 4/21/2004
![1 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/1stars.gif) — porra do caralho cabeçudo !!!!! se tivesse alem de "bad" eu dava !!!!! uhm... dava mesmo... uhm... ahm... voltando ao assunto... esse cd eh taum bom quanto um tumor exposto !!! na boa !!!! façam umas lareiras com eles... porra !!!!!!!! fui !!!!!!!!!
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DREAM THEATER Octavarium Review (Permanent link) by ben @ 5:53:16 PM EST, 6/13/2005
![5 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/5stars.gif) — Songs 1-7.... thanks for the "fillers" guys. Of course they're great (after all they're from DT) but others have weighed in nicely on their merits & drawbacks. (And yes, "I Walk Beside You" blows) Bringing us nicely to song 8... Octavarium... As Dick Enberg would say - OH MY!!! I've listened to it numerous times & it is HANDS DOWN the best piece of work ever from this band. The mind-bending thought and talent put into this composition is immensely compelling. By the way, get over the early DT stuff people! Comparing the maturity & complexity of something like Octavarium - to anything in the pre-Jordan era is like comparing a pro level football team to a high school team. All my other prog & semi-prog favorites faded & worsened over time (ahhhh see Yes, Genesis, Rush in regards to this subject) but this band continues to climb forward, challenge themselves & improve. Regards.
Completly dumb review, from the beginning to the end. Comparing pro football to high school football? Man...
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PINEAPPLE THIEF Variations On A Dream Review (Permanent link) by Dan @ 3:02:15 PM EST, 5/27/2005
![5 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/5stars.gif) — EXCELLENT!!!!! FOR FANS OF RADIOHEAD, PF AND PT. YOU WON'T BE DISAPPOINTED!! I know this is a crap review but I just can't be bothered, I've got better things to do with my time than writing reviews. Suffice to say that you'll LOVE this album if you're under 30 and you like Prog. Tihs album is beautiful.... another 'OK Computer'.... Extremely worth a listen...
Probably the worst review still alive on the site... ![](smileys/smiley11.gif)
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Posted: June 24 2005 at 22:00 |
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DREAM THEATER - Octavarium (2005) Review (Permanent link) by Adam @ 2:53:20 PM EST, 6/22/2005
![5 stars](https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_images/5stars.gif) — For some reason this site seems to be infested with people that are not too fond of Dream Theater. And I know everyone is sick of hearing Dream Theater this and Dream Theater that. But I couldn't help but review this album after finding many statements on Dream Theater's lyrics not being up to par and many people stating that the lyrics to Octavarium are "no concept" or "8 this 8 that, its not that deep." Well I'm here to tell you that Octavarium has much more meaning that many people (even fans) know, so let me explain my interpretation. This is more of an interpretation than an album review of the music. It is more of a review of the lyrics and the concepts behind the album.Obviously if you do have the CD you have seen the figure of the octavarium. This paragraph will just be an observation of the different clues. The 8-sided figure with the 5-sided star enclosed inside it. You also have seen the many pictures with the 8 figures of one object and the five of another (the fish and the octopus, the spiders and the levels of the maze, the dominoes, the keys in the back, 8 white, 5 black, the side of the album 8 white blocks, 5 white, the eight ball, the eight swinging balls on the front cover with the five birds, ect.) Also note that there are 8 tracks, this is their 8th studio album (excluding A Change of Seasons EP) and there is 5 parts to the title track "Octavarium." Now "Who Cares?" 8, 5, blah blah, this surely has little meaning. That statement will easily be proven wrong at the conclusion of this analysis. If you notice each song describes a certain fault in a human being, or displays a fault in a certain way. For example The Root of all Evil shows the fault of alcohol or any drug addiction, the Answer lies within shows insecurity within oneself, These Walls shows the lack of confidence of an individual, I walk beside you shows total dependence on another, ect. I am trying to make this relatively short (though its hard due to its complexity) so you can figure out the morals to the other songs. If you also notice each song has a certain time signature above the lyrics (1/8, 2/8, 3/8...) The figure of the octavarium also has that time signature correlated to one of the eight corners. This is to show that each corner of the eight sided octavarium represents a fault in a human in today's society. Each corner is a downfall in the moral of the average human being. The five sided star represents five different good moral qualities that are normally absent when it comes to todays society. My own interpretation of the five good moral qualities are stated in "Octavarium" when it is said "Loyalty, Trust, Faith, and Desire, carries Love through each darkest fire." Love being the main of the five qualities while the other four are needed to carry the fifth. Dream Theater is saying that there are not many people that give respect to good moral value any more in todays society. They are stating that they live with a high regard to moral value and being good, respectable people, and they believe that they are trapped in a world (octavarium) where the other eight values are much more present than the main five that we should be cherishing. It is displayed absolutely beautifully in this album, my favorite part being "Sacrificed Sons" when they talk about how many people blaimed God for the tragic events of 9/11 instead of realizing that God has no control over war or many tragedies that happen in todays world. Lets talk about the smart additions that make this album a true masterpiece. First off, with the time signatures in the album, each song also has a key in the staff above. The keys for the songs go as follows: F minor, G minor, A minor, B minor, C minor, D minor, E minor, F minor An Octave. The first song or the Root of the octave (and coincidently, of all evil) begins on an F from the piano. The last song or the Octave (coincidently Octavarium) ends on the same note from the piano after the ochestra ends extremely powerfully and emotionally while James screams "Trapped inside this Octavarium" stating that he is trying to persue the good morals, though it is not respected and not as present as it should be. This loop of chords from beginning to end is incredible while reading the final lyrics to "Razors Edge": "We move in circles Balanced all the while On a gleaming razor's edge A perfect sphere Colliding with our fate This story ends where it began" I also want to show the final lyrics to section IV of Octavarium and show how they each reflect the eight faults (look at the parenthesis that I place above for a quick summary of the moral of each song): "[Root] Our deadly sins feel his mortal wrath Remove all obstacles from our path [Second] Asking questions Search for clues The answer's been right in front of you [Third] We try to break through Long to connect Fall on deaf ears with failed muted breath [Fourth] Loyalty, trust, faith and desire Carries love through each darkest fire [Fifth] Tortured insanity A smothering hell Try to escape but to no avail [Sixth] The calls of admirers Who claim they adore Drain all your lifeblood while begging for more [Seventh] Innocent victims for merciless crimes Fall prey to some madman's for impulsive designs [Octave] Step after step We try controlling our fate When we finally start living it's become to late" These lyrics are VERY well written correlating with the other songs on the album. Each paragraph is a summary of each song (the root for root of all evil, the 2nd for the answer lies within, 3rd for these walls ect.) There are also many other small prespectives and morals that I will leave up for interpretation. One thing that I had found very interesting was the back cover. The eight white piano keys contain the songs (or the eight faults) while the five black keys contain the five members of the band, showing how they are trying to live by the good morals and are trying to break out of the "octavarium" that plagues this decaying society where morals are almost impossible to find. As for the front cover. I have not figured out exactly what it means, or what it is trying to touch base on. If anybody has an idea I would love to know so please post in this forum. I just want it to be known that it is always an opinion to whether you like Dream Theater or anything for that matter. But to go out of your way to say that octavarium can't be that deep and it only has to do with a musical octave is very ignorant. The octave in this situation has much, much more of a meaning. Of course I left some up for interpretation as there is a lot more that you can say about this album and it can go much deeper that what I have written. In my opinion this is a progressive masterpiece and it holds up against all the progressive albums that are essential. Regardless to whether you like the way Dream Theater combines the various styles or whether you like James LaBrie's vocals, there is no question that they deserve an incredible amount of respect for both their musicianship and their lyrical concepts.
Is that correct? I mean, it got some good analyse I guess, but there's not a word about the music. He even said it (the bold sentences).
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The fact he stated he was not going to adress the music, but explain more about some of the "hidden" meanings etc. makes it a worthwile review. I applaud this guy for taking the time, to say these things![](smileys/smiley32.gif)
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