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Posted: February 23 2006 at 23:35

cobb wrote:

A lot of better than thou attitudes here....

It's good to see the collabs getting into it. Good advice from Tony R though.

True.

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Posted: February 23 2006 at 23:36

cobb wrote:

A lot of better than thou attitudes here....

It's good to see the collabs getting into it. Good advice from Tony R though.

good or just meerly entertaining hahahhah just goes to show that the collabs are human as well. Not the Demi-Gods.... ahh... the Demi-Gods of prog we see them as day to day.

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Posted: February 23 2006 at 23:40

micky wrote:

cobb wrote:

A lot of better than thou attitudes here....

It's good to see the collabs getting into it. Good advice from Tony R though.

good or just meerly entertaining hahahhah just goes to show that the collabs are human as well. Not the Demi-Gods.... ahh... the Demi-Gods of prog we see them as day to day.

I'm not a Demi-God. I don't like the correct "brand" of Prog enough. No the heights of Olympus are just for afficianado's of Zeuhl, RIO, Avant Garde and suchlike.

I'm just a mere pleb Yes fan.

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Posted: February 23 2006 at 23:53

Ahem...getting back to Yes!

Strangely enough I bought my first Yes CD today. I am also not keen on Anderson´s vocals (In fact I was one of those who were really anti-Yes!) but thought I should have something by them in my collection as they are considered to be one of the Big 5.

Well I bought The Ladder and I love it! It´s spiritually uplifting! After a few listens I don´t really mind Jon´s voice. For all the anti-Yes clan, The Ladder is the best place to start Clap

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Posted: February 23 2006 at 23:57

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Ahem...getting back to Yes!

Strangely enough I bought my first Yes CD today. I am also not keen on Andersonï¿½s vocals (In fact I was one of those who were really anti-Yes!) but thought I should have something by them in my collection as they are considered to be one of the Big 5.

Well I bought The Ladder and I love it! Itï¿½s spiritually uplifting! After a few listens I donï¿½t really mind Jonï¿½s voice. For all the anti-Yes clan, The Ladder is the best place to start Clap

hahahha if you think that is spiritually uplifting I do recommend... after you do get a few more Yes albums

.. Tales From Topographic Oceans. That album can inspire you to take off to India with flowers in your hair......a very moving album... don't listen to all the crap thrown about in regards to it. Listen to it with open ears.....

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Posted: February 23 2006 at 23:59

TFTO is awesome. The Rhino remaster does it new justice. Great Mellotron work by Wakeman, too.

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Posted: February 24 2006 at 00:08

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TFTO is awesome. The Rhino remaster does it new justice. Great Mellotron work by Wakeman, too.

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along with a bit of great bass, guitar, and drumming as well hahahha

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Posted: February 24 2006 at 00:10

When I said The Ladder is spiritually uplifting , what I meant to say it puts me in a good mood Smile

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Posted: February 24 2006 at 00:16

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When I said The Ladder is spiritually uplifting , what I meant to say it puts me in a good mood Smile

Yes is joyful music!

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Posted: February 24 2006 at 00:18

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When I said The Ladder is spiritually uplifting , what I meant to say it puts me in a good mood Smile

ahhh.... that they do don't they. No surprise with such a positive, upbeat name like.... YES... A word we all, I suspect, love to hear once in awhile.

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Posted: February 24 2006 at 03:31

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He makes the mistake of singing these lyrics beautifully, which is plain nonsense, in my opinion. The lyrics have nothing to do with beauty, and the voice should mirror that. That's what I love about Peter Hammill: You don't need to understand a word to understand what he is singing about. He would have sung that line totally differently.

Its no mistake and it is sung perfectly. Please don't make fictitious rules about singing!

BF isn't making a rule, ficticious or otherwise - but I think she's right.

Thats how it seems to me...and I think she's wrong!

The tone of voice and choice of melody should express the lyrics to create a reasonable song - otherwise what's the point?

You don't like Relayer, so why argue about it. The song is sung correctly.

It's a free forum - who are you to tell me what I can or can't argue about?

You forgot to finish your sentence with the phrase "In my opinion".

How can anyone sing a song "perfectly"?

They can't. Its just my opinion. No one can be absolutely perfect and this is just a cheap point scoring shot.

Hence the sticky-out tongue... Duh!

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I don't get this. Cert called him a w**ker. Is that ok then, but to admonish not?

Can I call Cert a w**ker then? I know I'd like to!

I'm a very hard worker, thank you very much for your support

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I'm beginning ti think your taste is hanging in the western wind Cert at first I thought you were trying to make sense now with your latest outburst it is very clear it's your taste buds that are a poor.Muse are ok for 1 to 2 songs max; the singer is boring and Radiohead are very poor if those are your singers Cert then you enjoy them.But reciprocated facts, Nah, I don't think so our tastes are just different I love the greatest prog band ever and you haven't been blessed with that grace but that's your misfortune.

If you truly think Yes are the greatest prog-band ever you haven't heard much.

And so speaks the true Prog snob ellitist. I always new you looked down on us lowly mortals who loke "pop" music like Yes, Genesis etc.

Why do you think CTTE is number one? It must be because it is mercilessly played on MTV all the time. People who rate it so highly must be morons who mindlessly accept anything fed to them!

If Magma or Gong had the number one album here wpuild that make you happy? Of course not, how copuld you be a patronising, condescending elitist then?

Please do not admonish other forum members or collaborators in such a way or call them names - it is against the forum rules.

Either debate the points or shut up.

It is VERY bad form to make personal comments about people, collabs or not, and people like you are making the administrative side of this site look bad.

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Posted: February 24 2006 at 03:43

Snow Dog wrote:

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If you truly think Yes are the greatest prog-band ever you haven't heard much.

And so speaks the true Prog snob ellitist. I always new you looked down on us lowly mortals who loke "pop" music like Yes, Genesis etc.

Why do you think CTTE is number one? It must be because it is mercilessly played on MTV all the time. People who rate it so highly must be morons who mindlessly accept anything fed to them!

If Magma or Gong had the number one album here wpuild that make you happy? Of course not, how copuld you be a patronising, condescending elitist then?

I'm just a bit more elitist than the other proggers; don't we all turn our noses down at those who listen to "mainstream" music?

And when it comes to prog, bands like Yes and Genesis ARE "mainstream" (though both made excursions into more quirky territory; Yes with "Relayer", Genesis with "TLLDOB", which is why these albums are my favourites of them). It has absolutely nothing to do with me wanting to be an elitist among the elitists though; I truly wish Magma or Gong were more popular, because they deserve it. The musicians are in every way the equals of Genesis or Yes (and I am the first to admit Yes has some of the top-virtuosos of prog). But Hillage/Malherbe/Howlett/Moerlen are among those very top virtuosos just as well. And the musicians of Magma are first class also; I just didn't list them because (with the exception of Christian Vander) the Magma line-up is even more unstable than the Gong line-up.
Also I NEVER said I don't like Yes; in fact I do. I don't listen to weird stuff all day. I believe in a "balanced diet" of prog. But they are by far not the pillars of prog. If Yes and Genesis were the only prog bands in the world I would have lost my interest in prog long ago; of that I am very sure. And it is a bit ridiculous that the major albums of Yes and Genesis are in the top 30, while some of the very best albums of Gong or Magma don't even appear on the list. But popularity always tends towards the mainstream; why, in fact that's exactly what "mainstream" means!
If Gong or Magma were, for some reason, more popular, I would not lose my interest in them and search for some more obscure artists to maintain my "elitist" status. But one will get you ten that it will start raining upwards first.

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Posted: February 24 2006 at 04:48

Yikes, this discussion/disagreement is still going which is great

I think as I stated previously we try to experiment with more extreme music.For some it undoubtedly works for others it's a definate no no.Baldfriede says that some of her favourite musicians can match the head honchos in the main prog bands that I cannot agree or disagree with.What I would say is that I have listened to most of the names mentiones and I found that their music didn't suit me.What has to be focused on here was the number of truly great albums the main prog bands gave us.As for Dr Know ' The Ladder' is a disaster of an album.The only redeeming tune on it is 'Homeworld' the rest is dire trite.To return to the main point, when Yes were at their uttermost best they gave the prog world 6 gems from TYA to GFTO. Their eponymous first was good,' Time and a Word ' showed the prog/rock world in 1969/70 that something great was about to emerge and it most certainly did.Fortunately for us all discussing this we still are actively enjoying great music.As a small side issue I saw 'The Musical Box' last night and although they played very well and sounded very much like Genesis something just didn't spark for me anyone seen them and felt that way??

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Posted: February 24 2006 at 05:46

Certif1ed wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Certif1ed wrote:

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Its no mistake and it is sung perfectly. Please don't make fictitious rules about singing!

BF isn't making a rule, ficticious or otherwise - but I think she's right.

Thats how it seems to me...and I think she's wrong!

The tone of voice and choice of melody should express the lyrics to create a reasonable song - otherwise what's the point?

You don't like Relayer, so why argue about it. The song is sung correctly.

It's a free forum - who are you to tell me what I can or can't argue about?

I'm not telling you, I'm asking you, thats why I used "why"...duh!

You forgot to finish your sentence with the phrase "In my opinion".

How can anyone sing a song "perfectly"?

They can't. Its just my opinion. No one can be absolutely perfect and this is just a cheap point scoring shot.

Hence the sticky-out tongue... Duh!

I don't believe your sticky out toungue to be honest. And even if I did, you ignored Horza's laughing Smiley after his "head up arse" comment.....

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I don't get this. Cert called him a w**ker. Is that ok then, but to admonish not?

Can I call Cert a w**ker then? I know I'd like to!

I'm a very hard worker, thank you very much for your support

Well I guess if you were calling Paul a "worker", thats ok too.

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If you truly think Yes are the greatest prog-band ever you haven't heard much.

And so speaks the true Prog snob ellitist. I always new you looked down on us lowly mortals who loke "pop" music like Yes, Genesis etc.

Why do you think CTTE is number one? It must be because it is mercilessly played on MTV all the time. People who rate it so highly must be morons who mindlessly accept anything fed to them!

If Magma or Gong had the number one album here wpuild that make you happy? Of course not, how copuld you be a patronising, condescending elitist then?

Please do not admonish other forum members or collaborators in such a way or call them names - it is against the forum rules.

I didn't call her a name. She is patronising. So are you come to that!

Either debate the points or shut up.

No you shut up! You can't can you?

It is VERY bad form to make personal comments about people, collabs or not, and people like you are making the administrative side of this site look bad.

I just dislike you and baldfriede so much I couldn't contain it any longer........sorry.

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Posted: February 24 2006 at 05:52

BaldFriede wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

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If you truly think Yes are the greatest prog-band ever you haven't heard much.

And so speaks the true Prog snob ellitist. I always new you looked down on us lowly mortals who loke "pop" music like Yes, Genesis etc.

Why do you think CTTE is number one? It must be because it is mercilessly played on MTV all the time. People who rate it so highly must be morons who mindlessly accept anything fed to them!

If Magma or Gong had the number one album here wpuild that make you happy? Of course not, how copuld you be a patronising, condescending elitist then?

I'm just a bit more elitist than the other proggers; don't we all turn our noses down at those who listen to "mainstream" music?

. And when it comes to prog, bands like Yes and Genesis ARE "mainstream" (though both made excursions into more quirky territory; Yes with "Relayer", Genesis with "TLLDOB", which is why these albums are my favourites of them). It has absolutely nothing to do with me wanting to be an elitist among the elitists though;

Don't believe you.

I truly wish Magma or Gong were more popular, because they deserve it. The musicians are in every way the equals of Genesis or Yes (and I am the first to admit Yes has some of the top-virtuosos of prog). But Hillage/Malherbe/Howlett/Moerlen are among those very top virtuosos just as well. And the musicians of Magma are first class also; I just didn't list them because (with the exception of Christian Vander) the Magma line-up is even more unstable than the Gong line-up.
Also I NEVER said I don't like Yes; in fact I do.I know you do, I never said you didn't like Yes..not once!

I don't listen to weird stuff all day. I believe in a "balanced diet" of prog. But they are by far not the pillars of prog. If Yes and Genesis were the only prog bands in the world I would have lost my interest in prog long ago; of that I am very sure. And it is a bit ridiculous that the major albums of Yes and Genesis are in the top 30, while some of the very best albums of Gong or Magma don't even appear on the list. But popularity always tends towards the mainstream; why, in fact that's exactly what "mainstream" means!

Oh my God.....a lesson in English...how stupid I am.

If Gong or Magma were, for some reason, more popular, I would not lose my interest in them and search for some more obscure artists to maintain my "elitist" status. But one will get you ten that it will start raining upwards first.

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Posted: February 24 2006 at 05:59

It is plain nonsense to say I don't like "Relayer"; I stated it is my favourite Yes album, and it is the only Yes album which gets 5 stars from me! Nevertheless I critisize the way Anderson sings the line I mentioned. Singing aggressively is just not his forte. All the more I praise how he sings the final "Soon, oh soon the light". Here he can shine, and no-one will outdo him there. "Schuster, bleib' bei deinen Leisten!", as a German proverb says.

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Posted: February 24 2006 at 06:03

BaldFriede wrote:

It is plain nonsense to say I don't like "Relayer"; I stated it is my favourite Yes album, and it is the only Yes album which gets 5 stars from me! Nevertheless I critisize the way Anderson sings the line I mentioned. Singing aggressively is just not his forte. All the more I praise how he sings the final "Soon, oh soon the light". Here he can shine, and no-one will outdo him there. "Schuster, bleib' bei deinen Leisten!", as a German proverb says.

Who said you don't l;ike Relayer? Did I miss that? Is it not Andrson and Squire singing together? I still feel ...and will never change, that they sing the line brilliantly. Its like a beacon or a guding light through the insrumental turmoil.