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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Thanks guys.........I'm done with this thread. On to other stuff, oh wait this is PA, not much stuff going on! LOL

Gonna go do some work, gotta earn my paycheck and pay the mortgage. Will spin some Rush tonight, and I am one that loves all eras of Rush. Hard rock (Zeppelin era), progressive era, synth era and heavy prog era. It's all great music by 3 monster musicians.

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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Pre-prog present-prog post-prog future-prog

I offer "Deep Prog." 

Prog-Prog.

"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021
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There was a guy on Pointless (British quiz program) recently who said he liked listening to prog music and the host thought he said "frog". 
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by SiamFan SiamFan wrote:

Yes. And clearly some clueless idiots as well. f**k you Tony, f**k you Ezekiel.


what? Confused
They were members of the Monkees. I think they're dead now.


A Clip from YouTube. Didn’t think prog nerds would catch the reference, and I was right.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by SiamFan SiamFan wrote:

Yes. And clearly some clueless idiots as well. f**k you Tony, f**k you Ezekiel.


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My thoughts exactly! LOL
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Thanks guys.........I'm done with this thread. On to other stuff, oh wait this is PA, not much stuff going on! LOL

Gonna go do some work, gotta earn my paycheck and pay the mortgage. Will spin some Rush tonight, and I am one that loves all eras of Rush. Hard rock (Zeppelin era), progressive era, synth era and heavy prog era. It's all great music by 3 monster musicians.

Cheers!

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Clap Very funny, but Rush's music being the most geeky unsexual music around is certainly not news.

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I understand there are MANY artists who probably shouldn't be here. I would like to see Santana, Chicago, Steely Dan and many others kicked off the site even though i love many albums from all three.

I always found it weird that Steely Dan is on this site, but I totally get Santana's inclusion, if only for Caravanserai. If people discovered that album from this site then it's worth it. 
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Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I understand
there are MANY artists who probably shouldn't be here. I would like to
see Santana, Chicago, Steely Dan and many others kicked off the site
even though i love many albums from all three.


I always found it weird that Steely Dan is on this site, but I totally get Santana's inclusion, if only for Caravanserai. If people discovered that album from this site then it's worth it. 
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^ dare i ask what's wrong with Steely Dan? 
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Originally posted by Un Amico Un Amico wrote:

because to me they sound like HR musicians with a bigger bag of tricks, for the most part.

But you could say that about Kansas too. I would argue they were less prog than Rush, if anything.  They just have a classic organ sound that sounds like prog to people (but then, even Deep Purple had that). Why, some of Camel sounds like a Canterbury-Deep Purple cross. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ dare i ask what's wrong with Steely Dan? 

As a diehard Steely Dan fan, I don't hear it other than maybe one or two tracks each on Aja and Royal Scam.  Royal Scam has its fusion-like moments but even it isn't fusion through and through.  To riff on what BaldFriede said, if there is no place for Barbara Dennerlein in the jazz-fusion section of this website, I don't see how there is for Steely Dan. Yes, I know, if X then Y is not a good argument etc, I've been a collab too.  This is not an addition/suggestion argument.  I just don't hear a whole lot of prog in Steely Dan.  Which doesn't mean it isn't extremely sophisticated music.  But all sophisticated rock and rock related music isn't necessarily prog.  Would you make room for Fiona Apple here?  Didn't think so.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ dare i ask what's wrong with Steely Dan? 

As a diehard Steely Dan fan, I don't hear it other than maybe one or two tracks each on Aja and Royal Scam.  Royal Scam has its fusion-like moments but even it isn't fusion through and through.  To riff on what BaldFriede said, if there is no place for Barbara Dennerlein in the jazz-fusion section of this website, I don't see how there is for Steely Dan. Yes, I know, if X then Y is not a good argument etc, I've been a collab too.  This is not an addition/suggestion argument.  I just don't hear a whole lot of prog in Steely Dan.  Which doesn't mean it isn't extremely sophisticated music.  But all sophisticated rock and rock related music isn't necessarily prog.  Would you make room for Fiona Apple here?  Didn't think so.

is crossover prog or prog-related a better fit for them? 
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Within the English-speaking world, Rush emerged just when prog was being left behind. In '76, the year of 2112, Peter Gabriel had already left Genesis, and King Crimson had shut down until the 80s. In '77, A Farewell to Kings was one of the few prog albums out there (along with PF's Animals and JT's Songs from the Woods), and there were even less prog albums in '78 other than Rush's Hemispheres and Tull's Heavy Horses. By 1980, Permanent Waves was like the only prog album out there, same with 1981's Moving Pictures. Rush filled the gap during those lean years, until Neo-Prog emerged in '83.

According to PA's ratings, 2112 is the 5th best prog album of the year (behind Moonmadness, A Trick of the Tail, VdGG's Still Life, and Leftoverture), A Farwell to Kings is #2 for 1977 (behind PF's Animals), Hemispheres is #1 for 1978, Permanent Waves is #1 for 1980, Moving Pictures is #1 for 1981. Objectively speaking, that's pretty impressive.
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Why is BOC considered prog here? Their early album are no more prog than their last.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Why is BOC considered prog here? Their early album are no more prog than their last.

BOC is labeled prog-related here.
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BOC = Borders of Canada?
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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Why is BOC considered prog here? Their early album are no more prog than their last.

BOC is labeled prog-related here.
Ok then, why is BOC considered prog related here?

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ dare i ask what's wrong with Steely Dan? 
Nothing at all, they rock! (And jazz) LOL
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OK, I had to look up the initials BOC on PA. Looks like it is actually Blue Öyster Cult. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Why is BOC considered prog here? Their early album are no more prog than their last.

BOC is labeled prog-related here.
Ok then, why is BOC considered prog related here?

really, not even prog related for BOC?! Confused
I checked their band page, Raff wrote a nice bio.
I also thought they were heavy-prog. I wouldn't have objected to that either. 
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