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Mr ProgFreak 
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 Posted: September 06 2010 at 14:51 |
^^ Pol Pot? Seriously?  Please tell me how Atheism leads to "State Atheism".
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 14:58 |
 Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
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I don't believe you when you say you don't understand that.
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Honestly Mike, I can't understand how in hell you may agree with soimething you don't care about, it's a natural contradiction.
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So ... I can only have an opinion about things I care about? The petition is simply not very important to me, and I don't think that it can accomplish a lot (and it probably accomplished nothing at all). When you posted it, I simply read the sentence and thought about whether I would tend to agree with it or not.
Iván wrote:
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It's ridiculous to call those "Atheist governments". I explained what the Atheist position is, and there is no logical pathway from that to violence. BTW: Hitler was a vegetarian, and both Hitler and Stalin had mustaches. Go figure.
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Mike, we are talking about Atheist Governments, countries that made atheism mandatory and to reach their goal they killed all those who believed in a deity.
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It seems to me then that the problem isn't Atheism, but making Atheism mandatory, or killing those who didn't obey. BTW: Enforcing a belief and killing those who disagree ... does that remind you of something?
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Atheists always rub in out faces that Hitler was a Christian, why shouldn't you accept that Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc were atheists?
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I accept it like I accept that Hitler was a vegetarian and Stalin had a mustache. What I don't accept is that you draw this connection from Atheism to violence, ignoring any other possible (and indeed highly likely) motivations and justifications for violence in these evil regimes.
Iván wrote:
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I see ... and I thought your post was just an empty threat.
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Never said I would post videos, I asked why you only place one side of them.
But if you want, here you got one:
Iván
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Fascinating ... but what exactly does it have to do with Atheism?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 14:59 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^^ Pol Pot? Seriously?
Please tell me how Atheism leads to "State Atheism".
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Mike, guys like Dawkins and even you have said that the wish Religion will vanish some day, what better way to make it than banning religuion and making atheism official and mandatory.
Probably you don't agree with this methods, but some atheists do and history proves it.
Iván
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:02 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^^ Pol Pot? Seriously?
Please tell me how Atheism leads to "State Atheism".
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Mike, guys like Dawkins and even you have said that the wish Religion will vanish some day, what better way to make it than banning religuion and making atheism official and mandatory.
Probably you don't agree with this methods, but some atheists do and history proves it.
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You'll claim that I'm eating newborn babies next. 
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:11 |
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^False. The really tasty part there is the bread... And the lettuce. The baby needs a lot of salt...
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:29 |
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:32 |
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I used to like in church when he would say "awesome"
Like "Thank be to God and his awesome power" also he'd always say "brothers and sisters!"
Never knew father Mike was such a pretty cool guy!
Oh wow I remember his name after not going to church in like 9 years.
Edited by JJLehto - September 06 2010 at 15:32
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:42 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^^ Pol Pot? Seriously?
Please tell me how Atheism leads to "State Atheism".
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Mike, guys like Dawkins and even you have said that the wish Religion will vanish some day, what better way to make it than banning religuion and making atheism official and mandatory.
Probably you don't agree with this methods, but some atheists do and history proves it.
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You'll claim that I'm eating newborn babies next.
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Mike, again you change my words?
I said:
Iván wrote:
Probably you don't agree with this methods, but some atheists do and history proves it |
So when yu don't have a coherent reply, you try to reduce what we say to the absurd.
Iván
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Textbook
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:46 |
Or perhaps what you are saying already is absurd.
"I believe in a magical skybeing-"
Look right there, instant absurdity. Don't blame Mike for your position being ludicrous.
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:49 |
Textbook wrote:
Or perhaps what you are saying already is absurd.
"I believe in a magical skybeing-"
Look right there, instant absurdity. Don't blame Mike for your position being ludicrous. |
Again aggressive replies but no evidence or arguments,
Nice
Iván
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:50 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Fascinating ... but what exactly does it have to do with Atheism?
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Isn't China an atheist Government trying to destroy all traces odf religion in a small country as Tibet?
Iván
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:50 |
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Sorry Iván, but I don't have the slightest idea what you're complaining about now. That Pol Pot bit wasn't even a reply to you. In any case, like I said above, since you clearly can't be rational about this subject, any discussion is futile.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:52 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Fascinating ... but what exactly does it have to do with Atheism?
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Isn't China an atheist Government trying to destroy all traces odf religion in a small country as Tibet?
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You're a hopeless case. You're really good at distorting the opponent's view though, and combined with your relentlessness you surely make a great lawyer.
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:53 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Sorry Iván, but I don't have the slightest idea what you're complaining about now. That Pol Pot bit wasn't even a reply to you. In any case, like I said above, since you clearly can't be rational about this subject, any discussion is futile. |
I know it wasn't towards me but:
- Wasn't Pol Pot an atheist?
- Wasn't the Democratic Kampuchea an atheist country
- Wasn't religion banned?
- Weren't the religious people killed?
The conclusion is self evident.
Iván
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:54 |
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By the way: "According to the 1993 edition of The Atlas of Religion, the number of atheists in China is between 10 and 14 percent".
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:55 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
You're a hopeless case. You're really good at distorting the opponent's view though, and combined with your relentlessness you surely make a great lawyer.
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Mike, the day you can prove China isn't an atheist regimen trying to destroy all traces of religion, I will believe you.
Iván
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:55 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Sorry Iván, but I don't have the slightest idea what you're complaining about now. That Pol Pot bit wasn't even a reply to you. In any case, like I said above, since you clearly can't be rational about this subject, any discussion is futile. |
I know it wasn't towards me but:
- Wasn't Pol Pot an atheist?
- Wasn't the Democratic Kampuchea an atheist country
- Wasn't religion banned?
- Weren't the religious people killed?
The conclusion is self evident.
Iván |
The conclusion is that all of this is beside the point.
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Textbook
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:58 |
Ivan: For the millionth time, I can't give you any evidence that god doesn't exist just as you can't give any evidence that he does. What I can say is that it is illogical and irrational to believe that standing in a particular building on Sunday mornings singing a little song somehow means you will enjoy an eternal paradise after death. Such beliefs make a mockery of life and the functionality of your brain. The problem with entering into any serious debate with you about this is that I am harsher than most non-believers in that I think theist's minds don't work properly so I'm skeptical about how far you can even understand or reason before hitting an insane GOD EXISTS BECAUSE HE EXISTS roadblock.
And another point- Ivan, how can you get offended when people call your beliefs absurd. Do you even understand your own position? Even if I put myself in a theist's shoes, I would concede.that my position was absurd because it is this absurdity that creates the space for faith, the belief in something that does not seem to be true. Were belief in god logical and sympathetic, nobody would talk about faith. It is the very fact that belief in god seems foolish and absurd that creates the requirement for faith,
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Posted: September 06 2010 at 15:59 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
By the way: "According to the 1993 edition of The Atlas of Religion, the number of atheists in China is between 10 and 14 percent". |
The fact that they failled miserably in erradicating religion, doesn't excuse their crimes.
Iván
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