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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2010 at 10:14
World Cup 2010 b4usleep awards
Best game USA-SVN 2-2
Worst game JAP- PAR 0-0 (5-3 after pens)
Best goal Van Brnckhorst (Ned) NED-URU
Best referee Ravshan Irmatov UZB

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2010 at 11:24
New Zealand were the only national team that did not loose one match during the tournument, I big aplaud for that ClapClapClapClap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2010 at 14:43
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

I keep reading lots of interesting stuff about this World Cup. Here is some.

Normally, the World Cup is a great showcase of the major trend (or trends) in tactics. It displays the current most played tactic with the best examples, and gives the best indication of what tactics will the coaches use in the next few years. This time, the WC has shown that the best teams rely (like Juan said above) on both attack and solid defense, not just one of them. That is why the successful teams played a 1-4-2-3-1 system. Its advantages are:
- with two defensive midfielders you have better control and don't get exposed. From the high profile teams, only Argentina played with just one defending midfielder, and that appears to be why they were so vulnerable.
- in the attack, you get a very flexible, dynamic and mobile system with one central forward, two attackers on the wings and a clear head behind them, for the decisive pass. This is the system brilliantly put to work by Mourinho at Inter (Milito in front, Eto'o on the right, Pandev on the left and Sneijder behind). For example, at the World Cup Holland implemented this system with Van Persie (front), Kuyt (left), Robben (right) and Sneijder (behind), Germany had Klose, Podolsky, Muller and Ozil, Uruguay had Suarez, Cavani, Arevalo (or Perez) and Forlan, etc. It's a sort of a rhombus.

Do you remember this thread? Well, I just saw some stats about where did all the goalscorers at this World Cup from. So:

- players from the La Liga (Spanish league) scored 29 goals
- players from Bundesliga (German) scored 21 goals
- players from Premier League (English) scored 19 goals
- players from Serie A (Italian) scored 16 goals
- the rest: Holland 9, France 8, Mexico 5, Turkey 5, etc.

A clubs hierarchy:

- Bayern Munchen: 12 goals (four countries, two Germans, one Dutch, one Argentinian)
- Atletico Madrid: 8 goals (three countries: Forlan 5, Tiago 2, Simao 1)
- 5 goals: Barcelona (Iniesta 2, Yaya Toure 1, Marquez 1, Puyol 1), Real Madrid (Higuain 4 & C.Ronaldo 1), Valencia (David Villa)
The first English club in this list is Chelsea with 3 goals (Drogba, Malouda, Kalou). Man UTD has just one goal! It's even bellow Bolton, who had two goals.
 
Nice review and conclussions Alex, I agree with you in many of it, especially about Shakira singing for (South Africa WTF?!!!) and I do love to talk about football always. Big smile
 
And what you said above, I'm really worry about the tactic that most teams will take in the years to come. First Inter and now Spain shows that you can bore out the crowd and win WC. I'm really worry about it. I follow the Euro and the America's Cup since I'm a little boy and those tournaments ends quite fun actually, there's not that much presure like in the WC and the teams feel more free to screw up so they do attack and don't get too scared in the process.
 
For me, the best teams in this WC was Uruguay and Germany, they not only played a well defended game (Uruguay suffer the ausences of the true warriors Lugano and Fucile against Holland) but they really had a great attacking team, well balanced and fast in the transition. Forlán was the one controlling the timing in URU and Müller, Lahm and Ozil in GER. Both suffer of important ausences in semifinals and that's why we had those ugly teams in the final.
 
I do believe that Del Bosque didn't do a good job. His decisions surrounding the Barcelona core team (Puyol, Pique, Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta and Pedro) weren't that accurate. "El Niño" Torres didn't was at his best performance and he keep it almost all games, putting Villa away from the box, but luckily Villa did manage himself to find some space. Casillas been the captain was really a mistake, the leader of the team was evidently Puyol, he was the one speaking and in fact, he is older and he is captain of Barcelona. But then, Llorente didn't do too much and Cesc wasn't at his best also.
 
Argentina had a great attacking team and it's suppose to work when you can break a deffense, you can recieve a couple of goals but make more. They didn't, Germany was superior and in the time for changes, Maradonna showed that he wasn't prepared for the task. Pastore get in to do nothing and Otamendi shouldn't be there, he commited the foul and then let Müller to head alone the ball in the first goal. Argentina had a lot of potential, Tevez and Agüero were in good form but ussing Higuaín from starting was a mistake. Let's see if they can make a comeback, because they deserved it, they played with soul and heart, but they lack of smart strategy against big teams like GER.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 04:53
I just lost a post because the f**king forum software thought I am spamming Angry

I'll just leave you guys with this: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/statistics/goalradar/index.html Very useful tool, you can choose any goal from the tournament and see a 3D simulation of it. You can move the field for the best view or modify the speed of the movement. This way you can clearly see who did what for their team.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 08:03
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

New Zealand were the only national team that did not loose one match during the tournument, I big aplaud for that ClapClapClapClap


Yes an incredible performance. A country of about three million people where rugby is the religion and football is well down the pecking order managing to draw with the World Champions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 08:10
Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Oh yes... fitness in it's very best... LOL
 
Yes, you have some points, but that one about athletes, well man, you are wrong...


Even fat-ass DH David Ortiz would tear any soccer player to pieces in a fight. Furthermore, most baseball players are a lot more agile than you give them credit for (with the exception of the overweight outfielders and DHs, who are just there to swing a bat really hard).

If being able to run marathons were the only measure of athleticism, the Olympics would be a lot shorter.

Either way, what I really want to say is this: there's no crying in baseball. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 08:23
Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Oh yes... fitness in it's very best... LOL
 
Yes, you have some points, but that one about athletes, well man, you are wrong...


Even fat-ass DH David Ortiz would tear any soccer player to pieces in a fight. Furthermore, most baseball players are a lot more agile than you give them credit for (with the exception of the overweight outfielders and DHs, who are just there to swing a bat really hard).

If being able to run marathons were the only measure of athleticism, the Olympics would be a lot shorter.

Either way, what I really want to say is this: there's no crying in baseball. LOL


What about American football - shoulder pads and crash helmets?? The BIG GIRLS!Angry Rugby - now there's a MAN'S game!Wink


Edited by Cactus Choir - July 14 2010 at 08:24
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 09:08
Peru, Columbia and Ecuador want to enter together the contest for hosting the 2026 World Cup. Good luck to them. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 10:22
Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Oh yes... fitness in it's very best... LOL
 
Yes, you have some points, but that one about athletes, well man, you are wrong...


Even fat-ass DH David Ortiz would tear any soccer player to pieces in a fight. Furthermore, most baseball players are a lot more agile than you give them credit for (with the exception of the overweight outfielders and DHs, who are just there to swing a bat really hard).

If being able to run marathons were the only measure of athleticism, the Olympics would be a lot shorter.

Either way, what I really want to say is this: there's no crying in baseball. LOL


What about American football - shoulder pads and crash helmets?? The BIG GIRLS!Angry Rugby - now there's a MAN'S game!Wink
Just yesterday DHs couldn't reach the second base and he was at the half of the road, LOL.
 
We are not talking about fighting, any Sumo fighter could tear down any single human being, but they aren't  athlettes, com'on...!!!
 
I can assure you that Landon Donovan is faster than most of the baseball players, we are talking about different kind of sports. I was just saying that it isn't that accurate your statement. Most of the profesional football players are really athlettes, the problem is that silly actions of diving around the field. In the Premier League (in England) nor the referees nor the crowd aloud the players to be sisis... they made "boooooo" to all of the players who dive. But the premier League isn't England, and that's sad... Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 17:01
Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

New Zealand were the only national team that did not loose one match during the tournument, I big aplaud for that ClapClapClapClap


Yes an incredible performance. A country of about three million people where rugby is the religion and football is well down the pecking order managing to draw with the World Champions.


4.2 million actually. Tongue

And as well as being unbeaten, we jumped up the FIFA rankings to 54, from 79.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 17:03
Oh, don't believe in that rankings, it's about who you like more than who is playing better... imagine, they didn't loose a single match and they qualify with other 31 best teams of the world, and they are now 40 places down the rest of the "best" teams. It's stupid...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 17:11
Although... we could have been top 30 if that Guatemalan referee (Batres) hadn't given Italy a penalty for diving.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 17:15
Did you read my comment about referees above? don't hate Guatemala, just hate him, as we all do in the local tournament... LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 17:20
Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Did you read my comment about referees above? don't hate Guatemala, just hate him, as we all do in the local tournament... LOL


I don't hate him or Guatemala, it's just that NZ plays a very physical style of direct football, because we don't have the pace and skill on the ball to run around or through good defensive lines. The Italian defence knew this, and took dives everytime we touched them. I don't blame them, but I thought Batres would have at least seen this happening and told them to pack it in.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 17:28
Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Did you read my comment about referees above? don't hate Guatemala, just hate him, as we all do in the local tournament... LOL


I don't hate him or Guatemala, it's just that NZ plays a very physical style of direct football, because we don't have the pace and skill on the ball to run around or through good defensive lines. The Italian defence knew this, and took dives everytime we touched them. I don't blame them, but I thought Batres would have at least seen this happening and told them to pack it in.


Hey, Holland made it to the final without a single suspended, you can see that there was something wrong with the referees...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 17:30
Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Did you read my comment about referees above? don't hate Guatemala, just hate him, as we all do in the local tournament... LOL


I don't hate him or Guatemala, it's just that NZ plays a very physical style of direct football, because we don't have the pace and skill on the ball to run around or through good defensive lines. The Italian defence knew this, and took dives everytime we touched them. I don't blame them, but I thought Batres would have at least seen this happening and told them to pack it in.


Hey, Holland made it to the final without a single suspended, you can see that there was something wrong with the referees...


Yep. But the referees are always the first to get blamed for anything. I referee Cricket matches in summer, and man, you should hear how much people complain.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 18:25
Wasn't the Kiwi goal against Italy scored from offside? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 18:28
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Wasn't the Kiwi goal against Italy scored from offside? Wink


Only if Winston Reid touched the ball, and that was a pretty close thing.

Anyway, if you cancel out our goal, and their 'penalty', then it was still a draw.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 10:57
Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:


Yes an incredible performance. A country of about three million people where rugby is the religion and football is well down the pecking order managing to draw with the World Champions.

4.2 million actually. Tongue


I stand corrected, I was sure I'd read a couple of years back that the population was 3 and a bit million. Obviously the Kiwis have been breeding rapidly with the consequence their football team has improved by dint of having more players to choose from!

I thought that Paston was a very impressive keeper - can we have him to replace Calamity James please?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 11:36
Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Wasn't the Kiwi goal against Italy scored from offside? Wink


Only if Winston Reid touched the ball, and that was a pretty close thing.

Anyway, if you cancel out our goal, and their 'penalty', then it was still a draw.


Yeah I was just teasing, it's not clear whether Reid touched it or not. Most people say "it was" offside, but that's not at all decided.
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