The Christian Thread

Pro-life Christians killing doctors. I love it...

Makes me giggle.

Epignosis wrote: Alitare wrote: Pro-life Christians killing doctors. I love it... I don't.

Epignosis wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: Epignosis wrote: Alitare wrote: Pro-life Christians killing doctors. I love it... I don't. Regardless of the irony, neither do I. I'm not religious. It is a sad situation. You can equate the murderer to an extremist radical. He is not a typical example of believers. Proverbs 1:16 For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood. I believe there is a clear, distinct difference between killing and murder (I think a person should be able to defend his home and family if it means the death of an assailant, for instance), but murder is evil, and God condemns it.  I believe abortion is murder (not to start a debate here, just stating what I think to be true based on what I read in Scripture), but murdering a man who causes abortions is just as much a sin. Anyone who murders by definition cannot be pro-life.

Epignosis wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: Epignosis wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: Epignosis wrote: Alitare wrote: Pro-life Christians killing doctors. I love it... I don't. Regardless of the irony, neither do I. I'm not religious. It is a sad situation. You can equate the murderer to an extremist radical. He is not a typical example of believers. Proverbs 1:16 For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood. I believe there is a clear, distinct difference between killing and murder (I think a person should be able to defend his home and family if it means the death of an assailant, for instance), but murder is evil, and God condemns it.  I believe abortion is murder (not to start a debate here, just stating what I think to be true based on what I read in Scripture), but murdering a man who causes abortions is just as much a sin. Anyone who murders by definition cannot be pro-life. Would you kill a man for stealing from your home? I cannot know if an intruder in my home means my family any harm. I would prefer not to kill (only subdue in some manner), but if my son or pregnant wife were murdered because I failed to act, I could never live with myself.  A thief assumes the risk of his life when he enters my home unwelcome.

God's plan is probably like Schroedinger's cat.

Ahem, allow me. This argument goes, that it's impossible to subvert God's plans because he is omniscient, therefore, if you were going to do something, then he's already taken that into account and planned around it. These days I'm thinking God is a bit more quantum, but I used to subscribe and I still might in th future.

Deathrabbit wrote: Ahem, allow me. This argument goes, that it's impossible to subvert God's plans because he is omniscient, therefore, if you were going to do something, then he's already taken that into account and planned around it. These days I'm thinking God is a bit more quantum, but I used to subscribe and I still might in th future.

StyLaZyn wrote: Epignosis wrote:   True. False. Explain the false.

And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? (Daniel 4:35)

If God wanted my family dead for His purpose, nothing in my feeble power could stop that from happening.

But that doesn't mean my love for my family won't keep me from trying.

Well, interestingly enough, in the OT God behaves in a more polytheistic manner; many times he is recorded as changing his mind, which would imply that he was wrong to begin with, or didn't have all the info. The omniscient view came in to focus in the NT.

Epignosis wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: Deathrabbit wrote: Ahem, allow me. This argument goes, that it's impossible to subvert God's plans because he is omniscient, therefore, if you were going to do something, then he's already taken that into account and planned around it. These days I'm thinking God is a bit more quantum, but I used to subscribe and I still might in th future. This brings in fate and predestination. Free will becomes an illusion. God already know what a person will do and has planned accordingly. I've explained this on this forum many times.  Freewill is not an "illusion," but even if God did not exist, our choices are still "determined."  See Daniel Dennett's Freedom Evolves, quite simply the best exposition on freewill (written by an atheist, by the way). Determinism makes freewill possible.