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1) People are smart enough to see the category "proto-prog" assigned to them, and 2) most people are smart enough to understand that, while they're not prog, per se, they're important for the genre's inception.

You could argue that proto-prog and prog-related artists don't have a place here at all, and that there's too many metal genres that have little to do with classic prog rock, but then I wouldn't say PA 'lost its way', because that has always been the case AFAIK.
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But it's not proggy prog!
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It's actually still a fairly conservative little institution.
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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

No. I don't think it's lost its way. I have been around for about 10 years, so I can't comment before that. Traffic isn't as much as I recall seeing when I first joined. I thought Prog Archives had generally a broader range than what I considered as prog but I have no complaints about that. I have discovered much new music to enjoy that I otherwise wouldn't have on my own.

The original poster's hyperbole of combining with Jazz Archives doesn't make sense as combining the two wouldn't come close to covering all music.

Of course, PA will contnue to grow as long as there are bands producing new adventurous music. There will never be universal agreement about what should or shouldn't be here.

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No. I don't think it's lost its way. I have been around for about 10 years, so I can't comment before that. Traffic isn't as much as I recall seeing when I first joined. I thought Prog Archives had generally a broader range than what I considered as prog but I have no complaints about that. I have discovered much new music to enjoy that I otherwise wouldn't have on my own.

The original poster's hyperbole of combining with Jazz Archives doesn't make sense as combining the two wouldn't come close to covering all music.

Of course, PA will contnue to grow as long as there are bands producing new adventurous music. There will never be universal agreement about what should or shouldn't be here.
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Personally, I identify more as an art rock fan than a prog fan as such - hence why Lamb is my favourite Genesis album, and not f.e. Foxtrot. As it happens, there is no such thing as Art Rock Archives, so I am quite pleased that there is room for that here as well. Thus, I am often more interested in some of the bands and musicians in the periphery of prog rather than the more archetypal prog bands (with the exception of Pink Floyd), and I would be very sad to see them go.
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There is a direct and multi-threaded link from psychedelic music to progressive rock.   We all know that, right?

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Originally posted by deafmoon deafmoon wrote:

After being away for awhile, I return to see The Doors are included on this site. I fail to see (exception of Ray Mazareks The Golden Scarab) the Doors as being Progressive. I lived their heyday and they were then and still are a Pop band. 

How long have you been away, 16, 17 years? Confused
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You could focus on a handful of bands that has a very limited selection that might could fit into some of the genres on PA, or on the hundreds, thousands of bands that fit, no questions asked.

This is not a glass half empty or half full situation, but one where the glass is filled to above the top of the glass, and a couple more drops would cause it to spill over.
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Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I thought that was The Handles?
Didn't they eventually change their name to the Knobs?
Good one


I'm pretty sure that was Led Zeppelin circa 1968.
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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

@deafmoon

If you think The Doors is the worst inclusion to the site, you're gonna hate some of the more recent inclusions LOL

What recent inclusions?! I don't think any of them are controversial. The controversial entries are so few, it's not even worth fussing about. 

The Doors is not a controversial addition to PA, at all. 

I just meant comparatively, since a lot of PA members still don't respect certain genres on here like prog metal or tech/extreme. I can only imagine what people would have thought of Avenged Sevenfold's inclusion if the userbase was still in that 2007 mindset LOL

Well, I said no to them in 2023. LOL But I don't want to open this can of worms LOL. 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I thought that was The Handles?


Didn't they eventually change their name to the Knobs?


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

@deafmoon

If you think The Doors is the worst inclusion to the site, you're gonna hate some of the more recent inclusions LOL

What recent inclusions?! I don't think any of them are controversial. The controversial entries are so few, it's not even worth fussing about. 

The Doors is not a controversial addition to PA, at all. 

I just meant comparatively, since a lot of PA members still don't respect certain genres on here like prog metal or tech/extreme. I can only imagine what people would have thought of Avenged Sevenfold's inclusion if the userbase was still in that 2007 mindset LOL
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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

@deafmoon

If you think The Doors is the worst inclusion to the site, you're gonna hate some of the more recent inclusions LOL

What recent inclusions?! I don't think any of them are controversial. The controversial entries are so few, it's not even worth fussing about. 

The Doors is not a controversial addition to PA, at all. 
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If you think The Doors is the worst inclusion to the site, you're gonna hate some of the more recent inclusions LOL
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

...
The Soft Parade - check out the number of time signature changes, and the shifts in musical styles.
Albinoni's Adagio in G minor - unreleased from the Waiting for the Sun sessions. A fabulous adaptation of this composition.
Riders on the Storm - the jazz elements are quite clear.
LA Woman - Again, time changes are relevant, as is the poeticism of the piece
When the Music's Over - an intro based on Herbie Hancock, and 11 minutes of improv.
The End - yeah, pop. But only if Oedipus had Spotify.
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It's very sad that someone would say what he did about The Doors. Of the number of bands listed on PA, The Doors would fit better than many of them, and their music has stood up the test of time beautifully, although I think that growlers and metalheads like to shrink their noses at a singer like Jim Morrison, making their bands sound very amateuristic, not to mention that many of them are mere copies of each other.

One thing we all can say about The Doors, is that their originality is without a doubt a reason to be included on PA.

BTW, I haven't heard that Albinoni piece by The Doors and am looking for it!

nonsense and a bit insulting...

 




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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

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The Soft Parade - check out the number of time signature changes, and the shifts in musical styles.
Albinoni's Adagio in G minor - unreleased from the Waiting for the Sun sessions. A fabulous adaptation of this composition.
Riders on the Storm - the jazz elements are quite clear.
LA Woman - Again, time changes are relevant, as is the poeticism of the piece
When the Music's Over - an intro based on Herbie Hancock, and 11 minutes of improv.
The End - yeah, pop. But only if Oedipus had Spotify.

Hi,

It's very sad that someone would say what he did about The Doors. Of the number of bands listed on PA, The Doors would fit better than many of them, and their music has stood up the test of time beautifully, although I think that growlers and metalheads like to shrink their noses at a singer like Jim Morrison, making their bands sound very amateuristic, not to mention that many of them are mere copies of each other.

One thing we all can say about The Doors, is that their originality is without a doubt a reason to be included on PA.

Maybe the guy posting the OP only, ever, heard the AM version of Light My Fire ... Paul .. it didn't have the organ solo, btw! Tongue

BTW, I haven't heard that Albinoni piece by The Doors and am looking for it!
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Originally posted by Octopus II Octopus II wrote:

Back in the day, I used to be in a band called 'The Hinges'.

We opened for The Doors.

At first I thought you were serious but now I get the joke. Wink
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