American Politics the 2016 edition

If Trump loses I'm not sure how long he will complain about it.

dr wu23 wrote: TeleStrat wrote: If Trump loses I'm not sure how long he will complain about it. The movement that supports Trump was around long before he was and I don't see them going away at all.  I think that movement will continue to grow and hope for a better candidate next time.  What 'movement' is that exactly....?

Edited by TeleStrat - November 07 2016 at 16:03

TeleStrat wrote: dr wu23 wrote: TeleStrat wrote: If Trump loses I'm not sure how long he will complain about it. The movement that supports Trump was around long before he was and I don't see them going away at all.  I think that movement will continue to grow and hope for a better candidate next time.  What 'movement' is that exactly....? The movement (cause, campaign, drive, push) that I refer to is the large number of Americans who are fed up with the same old business as usual, insider politics. They were talked about quite a bit back in the primaries and they are the main reason Trump is where he is and the other Republican candidates have long been forgotten. Like I said, they aren't going anywhere if Clinton wins and there's a good chance they'll be stronger in four years.

  Ummm... I agree with a very distinct... BUT...

that movement is divided...and is NOT stirctly a repubican.. trump leaning voter

you have old farts and young whipsnappers. both are pissed at the system. Yet the young ones Gary are most definitely not Trump supporters.. nor Republicans.

Let's not sugar coat it.   Trump core supporters, older white mailes, may be pissed at politics as usual, insider politics.  What they are really are pissed at are ... the loss of white privilage.. the threat of the coming minority-majority America.. and of course.. wishing for an America that is never coming back where we are an insular economy. IT is a global market and economy... evolve.. or die off..

the young...  perhaps they grow out of it. My take on it, my best friend falls directly into this group and has many friends in the same camp,  they see Republicans as much.. if not more of the blame.. it is them that has run our government into the ground with its grandstanding.. obstruction.. rule/dictate nor govern mentality.

They also see Democrats.. and you better believe Hillary is seen as the face of it.. as a problem as well.  I think many might have jumped Libertarian but even they see Johnson as being as much as a buffoon as Trump.. if but a more lovable even if still just as dangerous. So they are left with the unenviable choices of voting for the 'lesser evil' or simply not voting.

two very distinct groups in play there Gary.. and with two very different mindsets...

Agreed.. the Trump supporters are NOT going anywhere.. and while Trump himself will get blamed for 2016.. ahh... 2020 will be no better for that party..  they can parade up all the safe establishment choices they want.. if the angry base wants a demagogue or plain old lunatic (paging Ted Cruz) if doesn't matter who the Party wants to run against Hillary in 2020.. voters not money or influence still ultimately matter...and thus we get another 4 years of a Democratic White House.

the youth?  Sorry ...  they have to wait till 2024 when the evolution of the Democratic Party is complete.. and no.. it will not be politics as usual. While the Culture war has been fought.. the economic/class war is still to come.  



Edited by micky - November 07 2016 at 17:20

Atavachron wrote: TeleStrat wrote: The movement (cause, campaign, drive, push) that I refer to is the large number of Americans who are fed up with the same old business as usual, insider politics. First of all we've been hearing that every election for at least the past twenty-five years.   It is a valid complaint but has become boring and unhelpful insofar as ideas.   Second, all politics is 'insider politics', seems to me.   That is politics, and to demand its removal is both unrealistic and incompatible with the very nature of what politics are.

TeleStrat wrote: If Trump loses I'm not sure how long he will complain about it. The movement that supports Trump was around long before he was and I don't see them going away at all.  I think that movement will continue to grow and hope for a better candidate next time.

If Trump looses the battleground states by a close margin, and I think he will in a few, he will cry that the election was fixed until the day he dies. This will keep his supporters fired up. More importantly, it will he keep his supporters following Trump. This narcissist needs an audience and Trump will do everything in his power to keep one.

So hows the election going now? an up to date report?

AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: So hows the election going now? an up to date report?

Dean wrote: AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: So hows the election going now? an up to date report? We're just awaiting the arrival of Klaatu and Gort on the White House lawn...

If tomorrow the sun comes out, you'l know. 

TeleStrat wrote: SteveG wrote: TeleStrat wrote: If Trump loses I'm not sure how long he will complain about it. The movement that supports Trump was around long before he was and I don't see them going away at all.  I think that movement will continue to grow and hope for a better candidate next time.  If Trump looses the battleground states by a close margin, and I think he will in a few, he will cry that the election was fixed until the day he dies. This will keep his supporters fired up. More importantly, it will he keep his supporters following Trump. This narcissist needs an audience and Trump will do everything in his power to keep one. I agree that if (when) Trump loses he will throw a tantrum like a spoiled child. Eventually, he will give it up and move on just like Al Gore did. His supporters will also move on since Trump will no longer serve their purpose. They will wait four years and look for another candidate to champion their cause. The narcissist in Trump will have to find an audience somewhere else.

Yeah, the question will be how people react to his tantrums. Will they just validate his narcissism as they have up to this point, or will the label of loser get a head of steam? As a narcissist, Trump will try to use any lame excuse to spin a loss, but he will also run from the label of loser if he can't defeat it. That is, if it starts affecting the attractiveness of his brand, because that's how he makes his money, by leasing his name out (so appropriate for a narcissist, huh?), then he will have to bail out of politics or suffer financial defeats too. Unless he thinks he can get by with his political supporters as his only pool of customers. He may because unlike any other serious business man, he doesn't do or even grasp much in the way of statistics.

Let's.... be careful out there.